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If you were Commish in this situation, what would you do?

Poll ended at Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:57 pm

Ask all other owners to come up with the $ as requested by Owner A, and pay him.
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Tell Owner A the matter is over with, since it wasn't noticed until months after the season ended.
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Discount the League Entry Fee for Owner A for the 2007 season by the amount in dispute
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Commissioners: Need help with offseason league conflict

Postby spodog » Wed May 23, 2007 8:57 pm

Owner A won our league last year, and claimed the 1st place prize money. After all payout occurred, it was discovered that an honest software configuration mistake that occurred prior to the season even starting left the prize pool short by about 10% of what it should have been.

The shortfall was from undercharges that were assesed to team owners who lost regular season games each week. Our league charges a fee for each loss that a team incurs.

Owner A wants the shortfall to be made up by recalculating the entire season's events so that he can be paid for the shortfall that would have been in the pool.

Our commish had reviewed the situation, and given that the books are already closed for the year, feels that the matter is closed, and since neither he or any team owner caught the mistake during the season last year, that it is too late to do anything about it.

The proposed solution from Owner A entails every team in the league coming up with varying amounts of $ (based upon their record last year) in order to come up with the money to pay him what he feels he is owed.

All Owners from last year are returning to the league for 2007.

Need your views on this, cafe members.
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Postby BGbootha » Wed May 23, 2007 10:25 pm

Wow, just out of curiousity what is the difference in money?

IMO, the books are closed and it is a done deal. If someone would have found it in the middle of the year it would have been a different story.

What does the rest of the league say about the whole thing.
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Postby dgan » Wed May 23, 2007 10:56 pm

It was the same for everyone...had someone else won the league, they would have been shorted and then Owner A would have said the books were closed.

Buy him a beer and move on.
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Postby spodog » Wed May 23, 2007 10:58 pm

BGbootha wrote:Wow, just out of curiousity what is the difference in money?


Several Hundred

BGbootha wrote:What does the rest of the league say about the whole thing.


They want to drop it and move on.
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Postby Darth Vader » Thu May 24, 2007 10:13 am

I would want several hundred dollars in a league that I won, even if a mistake was made. If the system for money was laid out prior to the season, and the commish made a mistake. That commish had better fix it. The commish holds the trust for the league, if the "books are closed" and thats that.... well you need a new commish.

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Postby ultramagnetic » Thu May 24, 2007 12:33 pm

I agree with Darth. The rules agreed upon at the beginning of the season should not be affected by software defects, and the league owners should be prepared to cough up the amount that they agreed to owe. To me it's wrong to make a distinction between what the shorted manager is owed per the rules, and what "he feels he is owed." Rules are rules, and if there was a mistake made along the way, the mistake should be rectified, not ignored.

You're in a fortunate position to have all the league owners coming back; presumably, they have a vested interest in paying up, lest they get kicked out of the league.

Practical question: If the shorted manager gets his league dues discounted, where does that money come from? The pot for '07-'08?

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Postby spodog » Thu May 24, 2007 4:58 pm

ultramagnetic wrote:
Practical question: If the shorted manager gets his league dues discounted, where does that money come from? The pot for '07-'08?

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Yeah. It would have to come from the '07 pot. Our commish is wringing his hands over this as well, since it may unfarily impact the '07 winner to the benefit of the '06 winner.

Since all owners are back from last year, however, that negates some of the imbalance in this solution.
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Postby dgan » Thu May 24, 2007 10:51 pm

I disagree. What if stats were miscalculated in Week 1, and after the season you realized it cost someone the Championship? Do you go back and fix it the way it should have been, taking away the Championship and money from someone and giving it to the person who "should have won"?

Absolutely not. There is a statute of limitations on this stuff. Again, everyone was in the same boat...no one caught it at any point during the season, so whoever won was as much to blame for their loss of earnings as everyone else.

You have to put it behind you unless the other owners are gracious enough to offer to correct it on their own, which you have indicated is not the case.

If it had affected one owner more than others...for example, one owner was not being charged for wire moves and all other owners were. That would be different. But since everyone was playing under the same formula, even though it wasn't working the way you had planned, then it is fair.

Just out of curiosity...when you say "it was discovered" -- who discovered it? Is this a situation where, if the Commish hadn't said anything, no one would even have known? If that's the case, then this winning owner (unfortunately for him) does not have a leg to stand on. It would be like the NFL "admitting" on their own that the officials made a bad call...they can try to correct the problem for next season, but they're not going to change the score of the SuperBowl.
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Postby dream_017 » Fri May 25, 2007 8:49 am

dgan wrote:I disagree. What if stats were miscalculated in Week 1, and after the season you realized it cost someone the Championship? Do you go back and fix it the way it should have been, taking away the Championship and money from someone and giving it to the person who "should have won"?

Absolutely not. There is a statute of limitations on this stuff. Again, everyone was in the same boat...no one caught it at any point during the season, so whoever won was as much to blame for their loss of earnings as everyone else.

You have to put it behind you unless the other owners are gracious enough to offer to correct it on their own, which you have indicated is not the case.

If it had affected one owner more than others...for example, one owner was not being charged for wire moves and all other owners were. That would be different. But since everyone was playing under the same formula, even though it wasn't working the way you had planned, then it is fair.

Just out of curiosity...when you say "it was discovered" -- who discovered it? Is this a situation where, if the Commish hadn't said anything, no one would even have known? If that's the case, then this winning owner (unfortunately for him) does not have a leg to stand on. It would be like the NFL "admitting" on their own that the officials made a bad call...they can try to correct the problem for next season, but they're not going to change the score of the SuperBowl.


That is a drastic example and would probably not happen. The stats would be discovered during the season.

When would the owner realize that he didn't get the full amount? It would be after the season and after everyones money is calculated. I think you have to go back to the owners, it is in the rules that they agreed on at the begining. I don't really see an issue as long as it is stated then it should not be an issue.
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Postby Darth Vader » Fri May 25, 2007 9:03 am

I agree with Dream.
It seems the only way you know the money is incorrect is when you payoff the winner.

The person in charge of the money knew it was wrong going out, or that person forgot what rules you were playing when he calculated. Now if you make stipulations in your game that jack up the prize pool, well you need to use a spreadsheet and update weekly. If all owners agreed to all rules (if they played the season they did!) then they ARE responsible for forking over the money that is deserved by the winner.

You are dealing with MONEY, if you all agree to screw this guy over then you should just disband the league.
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