Goodell institutes alcohol ban - Fantasy Football Cafe 2014 Fantasy Football Cafe


Return to Football Talk

Goodell institutes alcohol ban

Moderator: Football Moderators

Postby Plindsey88 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:49 pm

moonhead wrote:if i want a drink on a flight, i should be able to have a drink on a flight. regardless if that flight is a business trip or not. i don't agree with this.


I've flown with my bosses/co-workers all over... Even when I was a raging alcoholic I refrained from ordering booze on the plane...

It's just not appropriate...
Plindsey88
Mod in Retirement
Mod in Retirement

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeCafe MusketeerMatchup Meltdown SurvivorCafe Blackjack Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 10241
Joined: 19 Sep 2003
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Richmond, VA

Postby moonhead » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:06 pm

Plindsey88 wrote:
moonhead wrote:if i want a drink on a flight, i should be able to have a drink on a flight. regardless if that flight is a business trip or not. i don't agree with this.


I've flown with my bosses/co-workers all over... Even when I was a raging alcoholic I refrained from ordering booze on the plane...

It's just not appropriate...


perhaps if you're immediately going to conduct business when you step off the plane. but if you're going to your hotel to relax or home after the flight, i don't see the problem. provided that you're not hammered and driving.
Image
moonhead
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle Eye
Posts: 15994
Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: questioning your fanhood...funk o'meter: funkalicious

Postby treat24 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:21 pm

moonhead wrote:
Plindsey88 wrote:
moonhead wrote:if i want a drink on a flight, i should be able to have a drink on a flight. regardless if that flight is a business trip or not. i don't agree with this.


I've flown with my bosses/co-workers all over... Even when I was a raging alcoholic I refrained from ordering booze on the plane...

It's just not appropriate...


perhaps if you're immediately going to conduct business when you step off the plane. but if you're going to your hotel to relax or home after the flight, i don't see the problem. provided that you're not hammered and driving.


you can be hammered as long as you're driving one of these:

Image

just ask las vegas... he calls me sometimes...
treat24
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeCafe SpotterCafe MusketeerWeb SupporterCafecasterCafe Blackjack Weekly Winner
Posts: 18188
Joined: 6 Oct 2003
Home Cafe: Football
Location: I'm drinking 'til I forget the 1999 NFC Championship game.

Postby Goatwhacker » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:54 pm

I think this goes too far and punishes a bunch of people who don't deserve it. These are grown men, not children.

I've worked at two businesses where we'd knock off and have a beer at the end of the day on Friday while still at the workplace. Nothing at all wrong with it as long as it's done responsibly.
Goatwhacker
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 3010
Joined: 25 Sep 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Flyover Country

Postby houstonherdfan » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:49 pm

Plindsey88 wrote:
Verdun Barbarians wrote:Aren't fottball players supposed to be adults? Prohibition didn't work in the past century, so I can't understand why they bring back an idea like this one... Someone will find ways to sneek some booze in :-b

The players should be responsible of their acts, not be treated like children... :-t


Very few employers let you drink at work functions - save maybe the Christmas Party...

Why should the NFL be an exception? I mean the only difference I see is the fact that these guys are getting paid millions and acting like children...

I know of 2. My wife has worked 4 jobs since we met ,2 of them were accounting firms. Both of these firms had wet bars in the office. It wasnot stange to see several of the employees at the end of the work day sit down in the conf room and knock back a couple while waiting for the rush hour traffic to settle down. I stoped by to pick her up a few times at one of them. would get there early cause one of the partners wouls offer me a drick. After the first time and he didn't have my brand, he started stocking Wild Turkey just for me.

BOO HOO HOO, wish she still had that job. :~( :~(

Good move, IMO! ;-D
You could think of government workers like teenagers. You pay them an allowance, but do you get any work out them? They eat the food, put their feet on the furniture and complain loudly whenever they are unhappy.
houstonherdfan
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Sweet 16 SurvivorCafe Blackjack Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 5065
(Past Year: 5)
Joined: 10 Jul 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: The Center of the Universe

Postby SeaWolf » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:25 pm

I am the olny one who is reading this differently. It say alcohol will not be provided. It doens't say anything about bringing your own.

I do agree with this, either way you read it. The NFL could be sued if someone is killed in an accident by a NFL player, if that player consumed the beverage while at a NFL facility. CYA
Image
Sporting events are family events. If you can't watch your language for 3 hours then stay home.
SeaWolf
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicEagle EyeTrivia Time Trial ChampionPick 3 Weekly WinnerCafe Blackjack Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 4620
(Past Year: 1)
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Time to FEED THE BEAST!

Postby stomperrob » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:37 pm

SeaWolf wrote:I am the olny one who is reading this differently. It say alcohol will not be provided. It doens't say anything about bringing your own.

I do agree with this, either way you read it. The NFL could be sued if someone is killed in an accident by a NFL player, if that player consumed the beverage while at a NFL facility. CYA


Since his concern is the players' behavior, I think we can assume he doesn't want them drinking, period, including their own.
Here's a lengthier version of the policy:

NFL: No alcohol for team functions, flights


NFL.com wire reports



NEW YORK (May 31, 2007) -- NFL clubs may no longer serve alcohol at team functions or on buses or flights, extending a ban that until now applied only in locker rooms.

NFL owners and executives were told by Commissioner Roger Goodell that the rule pertains not only to players but to owners, coaches and guests.

"I believe that no constructive purpose is served by clubs continuing to make alcoholic beverages available, and that doing so imposes significant and unnecessary risks to the league, its players and others," Goodell wrote to all 32 teams in a letter obtained by The Associated Press.

The commissioner's letter separates him from, among others, Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig. After St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock died a month ago in what was ruled an alcohol-related auto accident, Selig said a decision on banning beer in clubhouses was a team matter, not a league one.

Goodell's letter is in keeping with his policy of setting strict standards for behavior by players, coaches and officials after a year of numerous arrests, many of them for alcohol-related offenses. He has imposed strict suspensions on those who violated those policies, including a yearlong suspension for Tennessee's Adam "Pacman" Jones, which is currently under appeal.

The letter is addressed to chief executives, club presidents, general managers and head coaches.

"Effective immediately," it reads, "clubs are prohibited from providing alcoholic beverages, including beer, in any club setting, including in locker rooms, practice or office facilities, or while traveling, including on team buses or flights.

"This prohibition extends not only to players, but to all team personnel, as well as to other guests traveling with the team or who have access to club facilities."

The ban was sent with the approval of the NFL Players Association and the player advisory council, a group of veterans appointed in early April to advise Goodell on player issues.

That group includes union president Troy Vincent, currently a free agent; safety Donovin Darius of Jacksonville; fullback Tony Richardson of Minnesota; center Jeff Saturday of Indianapolis; linebacker Takeo Spikes of Philadelphia; and wide receiver James Thrash of Washington.

Image
Fantasy Football: "Luck is where preparation meets opportunity"
stomperrob
Moderator
Moderator

User avatar
ModeratorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyePick 3 ChampionMatchup Meltdown SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 13579
(Past Year: 138)
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Steeler Nation!!!

Postby Munboy » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:48 pm

It seems the NFL has become the new NBA. A few years back, it was all NBA players who were making news with trouble, the NBA players who were viewed as overpaid thugs. Now it seems, with escalating salaries, its the NFL making all the news with off field troubles.

I think Goodell is just trying to clean up the NFL's degrading image. I agree that other companies will have business dinners and such that include alcohol, but with the NFL, there's a big risk. Sure, most of the players and staff can drink responsibly with a beer or two at a business dinner or something. But then there's those who like to party and don't know how to have just an acceptable amount. Goodell can't say this person, this person and that person can drink, but since this person has had troubles in the past, he can't. It's much easier to lay down the ban hammer on it all together.
Image
Feel small yet?
Munboy
Head Coach
Head Coach

User avatar

Posts: 1934
Joined: 20 Nov 2006
Home Cafe: Football

Postby smackthefirst » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:27 pm

Plindsey88 wrote:
Verdun Barbarians wrote:Aren't fottball players supposed to be adults? Prohibition didn't work in the past century, so I can't understand why they bring back an idea like this one... Someone will find ways to sneek some booze in :-b

The players should be responsible of their acts, not be treated like children... :-t


Very few employers let you drink at work functions - save maybe the Christmas Party...

Why should the NFL be an exception? I mean the only difference I see is the fact that these guys are getting paid millions and acting like children...

Good move, IMO! ;-D


I guess I'm in the minority here, but I agree with the move. The bottom line in my eyes is this is their job, and because of their status, it is a FULL time job. They are always representing the league. If they can't abide by the rules set forth, then they can choose to change careers. Yes, I know that is harsh, but at the end of the day being a NFL player is nothing more than their job.

I guess the closest thing I could think of is a college athlete. I would imagine a majority, if not all, college teams have the same type of rules. Of course, minors on college teams should not be allowed to drink, but what about the 21+ college players? Would any of you think it was "unfair" if their coach or the NCAA imposed the same rules?
Image
My Playoff Team - Please Comment
MSchaub, DMcNabb, JFreeman, KKolb
SJackson, THightower, CWells, JForsett, JSnelling, CJennings, QGanther
RWayne, RMoss, RMeachem, MCrabtree, DBowe
VDavis
smackthefirst
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Graphics ExpertEagle EyeMatchup Meltdown Survivor
Posts: 2646
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
Home Cafe: Football
Location: MD

Postby moochman » Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:26 pm

Quite frankly it surprizes me that this didn't happen years ago. To think of the amazing legal team at the NFL headquarters not seeing the legal issues with this is astonding.
In a normal workplace employers don't allow alcohol because if an employee gets hammered on the job site and then commits a crime attributed to inebriation the employer can and has been held liable.
I think the league is watching the St Louis Cardinals Hancock case and realizing how reckless they've been.

For those not familiar with the Hancock case he was a pitcher for the Cards who got hammered at a bar and then hammered his car into a parked car hauler killing him instantly. His family is now trying to sue the club because he and other players often had beers in the clubhouse. Imagine if he'd of done that after leaving the clubhouse.
Image


I think, therefore I am. I think fantasy, therefore I am unreal?
moochman
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterSurvival Of The Fittest WinnerMatchup Meltdown SurvivorCafe Blackjack Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 16300
(Past Year: 80)
Joined: 20 Jul 2003
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Living in the shame only a Lions fan knows

PreviousNext

Return to Football Talk

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests

cron
Forums Articles & Tips Start & Sit Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Get Ready...
The 2014 NFL season kicks off in 14:41 hours
(and 38 days)
2014 NFL Schedule


  • Fantasy Football
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact