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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby bungle613 » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:06 pm

A couple of comments.

Why is Priest doing this?

I have heard the insurance story as well and I have also heard the guaranteed money story. Something along these lines feel right. I believe there is some catch along the way that he has to be attempting to play football to either get some money or keep some money.

I don't believe for a second that this guy is actually thinking about running directly into a defensive line. If for some absolutely bizarre reason this is true, Priest dude, give that head of yours a very gentle shake.

How the press is reacting.

I just watched NFL access and they did a few minute story on "imagine the leverage the Chiefs will have if PRiest is back in form"? Are you kidding me!

And just for anyone else with this suspicion... Priest has not played a down of football since November 2005. It has taken him that long and countless doctors to sign off on his neck. He will be 34 years old at the start of this season. I am surprised his form is not pear shaped.

Any of you who end up in a league I am in and you draft him ahead of your kicker...I will ridicule you like no one has ever been ridiculed!
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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby Crippler » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:13 pm

bungle613 wrote:A couple of comments.

Why is Priest doing this?

I have heard the insurance story as well and I have also heard the guaranteed money story. Something along these lines feel right. I believe there is some catch along the way that he has to be attempting to play football to either get some money or keep some money.

I don't believe for a second that this guy is actually thinking about running directly into a defensive line. If for some absolutely bizarre reason this is true, Priest dude, give that head of yours a very gentle shake.

How the press is reacting.

I just watched NFL access and they did a few minute story on "imagine the leverage the Chiefs will have if PRiest is back in form"? Are you kidding me!

And just for anyone else with this suspicion... Priest has not played a down of football since November 2005. It has taken him that long and countless doctors to sign off on his neck. He will be 34 years old at the start of this season. I am surprised his form is not pear shaped.

Any of you who end up in a league I am in and you draft him ahead of your kicker...I will ridicule you like no one has ever been ridiculed!


But it's Josh Scobee! I could pick him back up as soon as Priest retires a month from now O:-)
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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby bungle613 » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:41 pm

Crippler wrote:
bungle613 wrote:A couple of comments.

Why is Priest doing this?

I have heard the insurance story as well and I have also heard the guaranteed money story. Something along these lines feel right. I believe there is some catch along the way that he has to be attempting to play football to either get some money or keep some money.

I don't believe for a second that this guy is actually thinking about running directly into a defensive line. If for some absolutely bizarre reason this is true, Priest dude, give that head of yours a very gentle shake.

How the press is reacting.

I just watched NFL access and they did a few minute story on "imagine the leverage the Chiefs will have if PRiest is back in form"? Are you kidding me!

Don't be bashing Scobs dude. :-t :-b

And just for anyone else with this suspicion... Priest has not played a down of football since November 2005. It has taken him that long and countless doctors to sign off on his neck. He will be 34 years old at the start of this season. I am surprised his form is not pear shaped.

Any of you who end up in a league I am in and you draft him ahead of your kicker...I will ridicule you like no one has ever been ridiculed!


But it's Josh Scobee! I could pick him back up as soon as Priest retires a month from now O:-)
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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby stomperrob » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:45 pm

From today's Kansas City paper:

Posted on Wed, Jul. 25, 2007

Holmes a pawn in Carl’s game

By JASON WHITLOCK

This isn’t quite Michael Jordan coming out of retirement to play for the Bulls.

This — Priest Holmes’ return to the Chiefs — is a business move, negotiating ploy and just a teeny bit of payback.

Take this seriously on Sept. 9, the day the Chiefs take the field in Houston for the season opener. If Priest Holmes is in uniform and part of the game plan on that day, I’ll believe he’s serious about playing football again, and only then will I believe Carl Peterson seriously believes Holmes is serious about playing football.

Until then, I’ll refer to the Chiefs’ all-time leading rusher as Pawn Holmes, a pesky chess piece in the middle of Larry Johnson’s contract negotiations.

It’s Larry’s move now. Two days before players are scheduled to report to River Falls for training camp, Peterson and Denny Thum unveiled the maneuver they think puts Johnson, his contract demands and holdout threat in check.

We will see.

Holmes’ comeback strikes me as suspicious for an assortment of reasons — not the least of which is that his longtime, San Antonio personal trainer says Holmes hasn’t been working out regularly.

But there is more, much, much more. The timing and orchestrated nature of this announcement raises doubts about its legitimacy.

When Carl Peterson wants the world to know what’s going on with the Chiefs, he generally leaks the information to Fox’s Jay Glazer. When Peterson wants Kansas City to know what’s going on with the Chiefs, he unstraps Bob Gretz’s lips from his backside, hands Gretz a prepared statement and tells him to read it aloud.

Nope. This story leaked in locations — 610 Sports and Nick Athan’s Web site — so remote that you needed a hearing aid to hear it. And the leaks were followed up by a celebratory, detailed press release from the Chiefs that stated Holmes informed Peterson on Wednesday that he wanted to play again and would report to camp on Saturday. The release then added:

Peterson received a call from Todd France (Holmes’ representative) and indicated that Priest had made a decision that he wants to play for the Chiefs in 2007. Peterson then received a phone call from Holmes in which he personally reiterated his intentions for 2007. The Chiefs then coordinated visits with the team’s orthopedic physicians and specialists in Miami. Everyone conferred after the examination, and it was the opinion of the doctors that Priest could play NFL football in 2007.

“In my conversation with Priest, he was excited about playing,” Peterson explained. “Later, Herm (Edwards) and I sat down with Priest here in Kansas City and discussed his decision and our thoughts on his return. We may put him on active PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) initially to gauge his football conditioning and to see how he feels after noncontact drills. But he indicated very strongly to me that he wanted to play and his motivation was to help the Kansas City Chiefs win a championship.”

Maybe it’s just a typo, but how did Holmes inform the Chiefs on Wednesday, coordinate an in-person sit-down with Peterson and Edwards and set up visits with doctors in KC and Miami? That was either one busy Wednesday or Holmes told the Chiefs last Wednesday that he wanted to play football again. And if Holmes said he wanted to play last Wednesday, why not announce that then? Why hold it until two days before training camp, until the day you were supposed to make a “final” contract offer to Larry Johnson?

This is a game. It’s a game Peterson plays well.

He drafted Larry Johnson years ago to improve the Chiefs’ contract leverage with Pawn Holmes. That move worked out beautifully, in Peterson’s opinion. Holmes accepted a sensible $10 million signing bonus, and Johnson turned out to be a great player. On the flip, Dick Vermeil hated the decision, Kansas City’s talent-deficient defense was denied a first-round injection of youth, and Holmes reached the conclusion that the Chiefs were more concerned with business than winning and rewarding productive players.

Good business moves don’t always contribute to a championship environment.

I’m not sure how a soon-to-be-34-year-old running back with two years’ rust and playing in a different offense than the one that made him great is going to help the Chiefs win a Super Bowl. But he can help Peterson save a few dollars.



and this one where Carl Peterson is already saying Holmes will NOT be their workhorse:

Posted on Wed, Jul. 25, 2007

Priest Holmes to make long-awaited comeback

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

It might be to put some pressure on Larry Johnson in contract negotiations.

It might be because the Chiefs are convinced they can’t survive without Johnson if his holdout is lengthy. Or it might be something as simple as the Chiefs believing he can once again be one of football’s premier running backs.

Whatever the reason, the Chiefs are welcoming back Priest Holmes.

Almost two years after Holmes left the Chiefs because of a mysterious neck condition, he has been medically cleared to play and has asked to rejoin the team at training camp, which begins Friday in River Falls, Wis.

The Chiefs weren’t expecting Holmes until at least Saturday. Even after his arrival, Holmes may not initially practice with the full team until the Chiefs determine he’s ready.

But his mere return to the practice field is another in a series of remarkable comebacks for Holmes and perhaps the most dramatic.

Many in the Chiefs’ organization had given up on Holmes and were convinced the team would never see him again. Holmes accepted a lesser contract last year as a nod to the uncertainty of his playing future.

His original contract called for a base salary of $4 million this year. He is scheduled to make $870,000 in base salary this year.

The Chiefs last year traded for Michael Bennett and this year drafted Kolby Smith. Both moves were made in part because the Chiefs were trying to move on without Holmes.

But president/general manager Carl Peterson said he recently received phone calls first from Holmes’ agent, Todd France, and then from Holmes asking to return.

“He certainly deserves the opportunity to do this after all he has contributed to the Chiefs,” Peterson said. “He’s been a member of the Chiefs for a long time, even though he’s been a silent member for the last several months.

“This will be a shot in the arm for us at training camp.”

Holmes is the team’s all-time leader in rushing yards (5,933), touchdowns (83) and touchdowns in a season (27). He led the NFL in rushing in 2001, and his 27 touchdowns in 2003 were an NFL record, a mark that has since been broken. But he will return to a different Chiefs world than the one he left. Herm Edwards has replaced Dick Vermeil as coach, and the Chiefs have geared down their once high-powered offense.

There is also the considerable presence of Johnson, who has become the centerpiece of the Chiefs’ offense. Johnson wants a contract extension and is unlikely to report to camp without one.

He will resume his role as the lead back if and when he arrives. The return of Holmes can be seen as a ploy to squeeze Johnson into accepting the Chiefs’ offer sooner than he otherwise might have.

Peterson denied that was the Chiefs’ intent.

“This wasn’t my idea. I can tell you that,” Peterson said. “This was Priest Holmes’ idea. I don’t think this has any relevance to Larry. We’ve communicated with Larry’s representative on a number of occasions, but unfortunately right now we’re still an awful long way apart in our proposals.”

The Chiefs also have at running back Bennett, Smith and two young players, Derrick Ross and Marcus O’Keith. Bennett is the starter during Johnson’s absence, but the Chiefs will probably use the committee approach as long as Johnson is out.

Holmes couldn’t be reached for comment; France didn’t return a phone message. Peterson indicated Holmes was OK playing a lesser role than the one he formerly held.Another issue is whether Holmes can be the same player he was since he left in October 2005. He will be 34 in October, an advanced age for a running back.

“I don’t know what he has left, and I wouldn’t even want to venture a guess,” Peterson said. “But if he’s 80 percent of what he was before, he can help us win. We are looking at him certainly in a different role than when he was here before. He was the workhorse, and we’re not looking at him doing that. …

“Without question there’s a place for him to fit in and contribute a great deal. He, like every running back, has some things he does better than others. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a better running back, with maybe the exception of Marcus Allen, who has such vision and patience on outside plays. I’m sure (offensive coordinator) Mike Solari will be calling those plays.”





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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby Kilroy » Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:52 pm

At least we'll be able to watch this all unfold on HBO. :-b
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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby logan » Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:12 am

Kilroy1872 wrote:At least we'll be able to watch this all unfold on HBO. :-b



low blow sir. low blow. ;-)
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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby mweir145 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:33 pm

I read that story from Whitlock a few days ago, and I'd have to disagree. It's very doubtful that Priest Holmes would agree to be any sort of a pawn in a player's contract dispute. I'd like to think Carl Peterson could control things like that and create pressure on a guy like Larry Johnson, but I'm unconvinced he could actually control Priest Holmes, and make Priest do something he didn't want to do. Although clearly Priest's return might be a scenario that can play right into Carl's hands.

As for Priest Holmes making a comeback and having some sort of a role on this team, well I highly doubt it's going to happen. It would be great to see one of my favourite players ever back on the field, but the guy will be 34 soon. There's no question he's the wrong type of person to doubt, though.

Priest Holmes Q and A from earlier today: http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/0...st_holmes__729/
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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby Dr. Duran Duran » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:42 pm

logan wrote:
Kilroy1872 wrote:At least we'll be able to watch this all unfold on HBO. :-b



low blow sir. low blow. ;-)


Hahah, that's spot on, Kilroy. :-b
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Re: Priest Holmes on the comback trail?

Postby stomperrob » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:52 pm

Another stinging rebuke of Holmes:

Posted on Sun, Jul. 29, 2007

Holmes is in this for himself

By JASON WHITLOCK

RIVER FALLS, Wis. | Priest Holmes has good reason to be impressed with Priest Holmes.

And judging by his comments Sunday afternoon, no one is more aware of Holmes’ “greatness” than the man who quit the Chiefs after a routine Shawne Merriman tackle and Larry Johnson’s ascension to stardom.

“I believe to make this team a whole entity, it takes several parts,” Holmes said, explaining his decision to unquit the Chiefs, “and one of them entails me coming back.”

Funny, never once this offseason did Herm Edwards, the man paid to lead the Chiefs, suggest that the Chiefs couldn’t be whole without Holmes. I don’t remember any of the current players saying it either. The Chiefs had pretty much moved on.

But apparently not Priest, the Pro Bowl running back who abandoned his teammates 21 months ago and now promises to be the inspirational leader this organization desperately needs.

“I witnessed and saw the playoff game last year,” Priest “Rudy” Holmes shared, “and in that game you could see that in terms of leadership there is so much more that could be added in order to take this team deeper into the playoffs.”

Let’s call that comment exactly what it was: a shot delivered directly to the jaw of Larry Johnson.

OK, now let me clarify my feelings on Priest Holmes, the running back and the man. I respect both. Priest was a terrific runner, a poor man’s Emmitt Smith. As a man, I congratulate Priest for reducing professional football to what it truly is — a business. He’s a poor man’s Carl Peterson. Holmes wakes up every day wondering exactly what football can do for his bank account.

He quit football and went about the business of taking care of his children once he figured there were no new major paydays on his horizon. On Sunday, there was virtually no talk about the injured spine or neck or back or whatever the alleged career-killing injury Merriman inflicted in San Diego.

Holmes said he came back to football because he had a dream, not because doctors determined he was healthy enough to play.

I’m sure Holmes’ dream had dollar signs in it. The Chiefs have to pay him only $870,000 if he makes the team. It’s my suspicion that Holmes would prefer to be cut. He can land a better deal as a free agent. For instance, the Cowboys — the team Holmes referenced as an option if things don’t work out with the Chiefs — could sign Holmes for the veteran’s minimum and lace the contract with $2 million worth of incentives.

There’s no reason for the Chiefs to offer Holmes one dime in incentives. They paid him $1.5 million for babysitting in San Antonio last season.

Holmes announced Sunday that he’s going to spend the next three weeks getting in shape in preparation of putting on the pads. It’s easy to envision a scenario in which the Chiefs are forced to make a roster decision on Holmes without seeing him carry the football in an exhibition game. Once Holmes is placed on the active, regular-season roster, his entire salary is guaranteed, and it won’t be difficult for Holmes to find another doctor’s note excusing him to eat nachos and coach little-league football in San Antonio for the fall.

“No one wants to be hit with a malpractice suit so, of course, the doctors are going to respond accordingly,” Holmes responded when asked what physicians have told him.

Holmes later added: “Like I mentioned before, without even taking the field, there’s so much I can provide this team.”

He can provide exactly what he provided the previous 21 months — nothing. All this talk of leadership is bunk. Holmes has never been a leader. He’s been a tremendous touchdown producer and a solid Team Priest T-shirt seller. That’s it.

His voice won’t be heard in Kansas City’s locker room. The players aren’t stupid. They have eyes. They know he quit. Priest Holmes is a businessman. He doesn’t care about the Kansas City Chiefs. He cares about his next paycheck. There’s no crime in that. His teammates are probably impressed that he bilked Carl Peterson, and if Holmes can somehow manage to score a few TDs for the Chiefs, his teammates will be glad he returned.

If all Holmes has to offer is the insinuation that he’s a better leader than Larry Johnson, Holmes should take that noise back to San Antonio.



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I have a dream . . . .

Postby spodog » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:56 pm

Priest announced to the media yesterday that up until 10 days ago, he had no intention of playing again. However, he had a dream and in the dream he was playing football.

The next morning, he woke up and asked his kids if he should play football again, and they said yes.

So Priest called the Chiefs, packed up, and is now in camp with the Chiefs, running on a practice field for the next few weeks.

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