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Postby deerayfan072 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:00 pm

We have Emmanuel Moody coming in, so its like we got a 5* running back anyway
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby deerayfan072 » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:58 pm

5* Defensive Tackle Omar Hunter just committed to FL.

He was a previous ND commit, but decomitted and was choosing between UF, UGA, and USC
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:38 pm

I heard something about Meyer being investigated for something against the rules in recruiting last year? Anyone know anything about this?
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:40 pm

A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:I heard something about Meyer being investigated for something against the rules in recruiting last year? Anyone know anything about this?


It was for this year. He called Carl Moore's g/f a bunch of times and told her he would get her into the gymnastics (or golf, I forget) program at Florida and get her a scholarship if Moore came to UF. Moore and her are both now at Florida and enrolled.

The school is taking action before the NCAA does.

We actually just talked about this in sports law today
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby stomperrob » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:07 am

Re the above:

Meyer possibly involved with secondary recruiting violation
By Jenna Marina Independent Florida Alligator
January 23, 2008

Gainesville, FL (UWIRE) -- The U.Florida compliance office is currently gathering information about a possible secondary recruiting violation involving Gators football coach Urban Meyer and his communication with a junior college transfer and his girlfriend, a Gators gymnast.

According to a Jan. 16 article in The Gainesville Sun, gymnast Maranda Smith said Meyer called her about signing with UF in hopes of luring her boyfriend, Carl Moore, a five-star wide receiver from Sierra (Calif.) College, to Gainesville. Moore signed his letter of intent with the Gators on Dec. 19 and enrolled in classes earlier this month. Smith competed for UCLA but transferred to Sierra last year before enrolling at UF.

"I used to talk to him every day back in November when he was recruiting Carl," Smith said in the story. "He kept asking how Carl was doing, and (he) wanted me to come here and do gymnastics."


There are two issues at hand: The first is that coaches are limited to recruiting athletes in the sport they coach; the second is the timeframe in which coaches can contact recruitable athletes more than once per week.

The compliance office has been gathering information about the incident for about a week or two, said Jamie McCloskey, UF's associate athletics director of compliance and sports administration. Once the office is done with the investigation, it will write a report to give to the Southeastern Conference.

"We have a duty obligation to look at everything and anything that's been reported," McCloskey said Tuesday. "We're trying to find out if this occurred, and if it did occur, what does it mean?"

Smith did not respond to an e-mail, but her mother, Patricia, said Tuesday evening that her daughter had never mentioned that Meyer called her. Patricia did say her daughter called Meyer once when Moore went on a recruiting visit and was stuck at an airport.

Patricia also pointed out that the Gators had recruited her daughter when she was a junior in high school in 2005, and her college decision came down to UF and UCLA. Smith contacted UF coach Rhonda Faehn this past December about joining the Gators.

The Orlando Sentinel reported that Meyer met with McCloskey last week and left the office thinking he had committed no recruiting violations. Meyer is on the road recruiting and could not be reached for comment.

The incident is considered a secondary violation, and McCloskey said UF deals with about 15 to 20 secondary violations on average every year. It is a relatively minor infraction, and McCloskey did not say what type of penalty Meyer would face if a violation did occur.

"That's like three steps ahead of where we are," McCloskey said. "We're not even close to that point yet."

McCloskey said there is no timetable for a reaching a conlcusion but that the compliance office hopes to have it wrapped up in a week or two.

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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby deerayfan072 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:44 am

When Urban Meyer said his intention was to turn the Florida Gators into the college equivalent of the New England Patriots, little did an unsuspecting Gator Nation realize that they would soon have their own spy gate like scandal as well.


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It's been a rough week for Urban Meyer
While the recruiting shenanigans at Florida haven't received anywhere near the national press that spy gate pulled in, this past week has been a death by a thousand cuts for Meyer courtesy the instate media outlets.

This may not have been Meyer's worst week ever, but it has been without a doubt his worst week as the head coach of the Florida Gators.

It has yet to be seen whether or not this will taint either the Patriots run toward immortality or Meyer's run to yet another recruiting title.

What is known is that everything good about the Meyer regime – from making academics a priority (the team currently has the highest accumulative GPA in team history and an amazing 71 of 72 his signees have qualified in his three UF classes) to fostering a family atmosphere seem to have been forgotten because of the allegations.

It may not be viewed as a viable excuse or play very well with the general public, but Meyer could certainly make the case that...

EVERYONE DOES IT

That might come off as excuse making for Meyer and the Gator staff, but the truth is, recruiting is a down and dirty game where if you're going to be successful at it, you have to be willing to go the extra mile.

In NASCAR the saying is 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying' – that could very well be the motto used along the recruiting trail in the world of college football.

In many, if not most cases, it's not so much as NASCAR teams or NCAA programs blatantly disregarding the rules, but rather skirting around the edges or coming up with their own interpretation of some of them.

Delivering a briefcase full of cash is over-the-top cheating. Making a call or two here or there, the feeling is, 'everyone does it.'

To help you understand the rules, hearken back to the scene in the Pirates of the Caribbean when Capitan Barbossa explained the Pirates' Code to Elizabeth by saying, "And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules."

That is exactly how the recruiting handbook is looked upon by most coaches.

Especially the rules concerning contact.

From phone conversations to in person, face-to-face meetings, there are so many loopholes that it is nearly impossible to regulate what is and isn't permissible.

Or catch those who are doing wrong.

At certain times during the year, though a coach may only be allowed to call a prospect once a week, there's no limit on how many times the prospect's high school coach can be called (while the prospect just happens to be sitting there in the office with him) or how many times the prospect can initiate the contact.

The rules governing face-to-face meetings are ignored just as often, because the guidelines governing them are just as vague. What is supposed to be a hi-and-bye meeting often becomes much more because who's to say what the cut off should be.

If coach A can talk to him for 10 seconds, it certainly isn't a big deal for coach B to go on for 20 seconds, meaning that coach C sees nothing wrong with going on for 30 seconds and so on and so forth.

That type of uncertainty in the rulebook creates an atmosphere were coaches feel like they have to go as far as humanly possible in order to stand out in a prospect's mind because the feeling out there is 'everyone does it' - and the truth is, they do.

And even if you get caught, the reward far outweighs the risk. Most contact rules violations are a slap on the wrist 'ho-hum' type of affairs.

Meyer may be getting all of the attention – and rightfully so to an extent – but is there anyone out there who honestly believes that he is the only one who went overboard in the recruiting of Moore?

What about Southern Cal, who arranged for all everything defensive lineman Warren Sapp to spend some time with him while on his official visit?

Because Sapp isn't an alumnus, it's not a violation. However, it certainly rates as a 10 on the sleaziness scale to have a multimillionaire football player squiring a prospect around town in an Escalade.

Then again, it wouldn't be the Trojans first time stepping outside the recruiting guidelines. According to 2006 five-star recruit Joe McKnight, a phone call was arranged where former Trojan Reggie Bush phoned McKnight to assure him nothing would come out of the NCAA's investigation into Bush supposedly receiving illegal benefits.

Of course, later (after it became a negative for USC), McKnight backed away from those comments. Much the same way Maranda Smith has done a 180 as to her contact with Meyer (if anyone fully believes either one of those retractions, contact me, I have some ocean front property for sale).

Point out any school currently ranked in the top twenty five of Rivals.com's team recruiting rankings and there is assuredly a story or two of a coach or two stretching the boundaries of what is acceptable, if not outright breaking a rule or two.

Point to any program outside the top twenty-five and the same standards apply, they just aren't as successful at it.

The truth is, the recruiting process is a lot like making sausage - if you knew everything that went into it, you wouldn't enjoy the taste of it.

While it's a given that there's no angels when it comes to coaches and recruiting, the transgressions usually don't become big stories.

However, in this case, there's a mitigating factor – which is...

THE MEDIA'S ROLE

With all due respect to those in the business of sports journalism, just because you cover the athletes and games, doesn't necessarily mean you have the background to cover how the athletes are obtained.

When it comes to recruiting, newspaper editors would be better served to pull someone who normally covers government and campaigns to follow along on the recruiting trail.

There are many similarities between the shenanigans that take place in a political campaign and the recruiting process.

Both are down and dirty enterprises.

The first mistake in this drama was Meyer coming out and saying he was cleared – when obviously he wasn't.

With his misleading statement, he basically threw fuel on the fire.

By nature, reporters love to play 'gotcha' and in the world of recruiting there is a lot of 'gotcha' to go around.

That is, if you choose to go down that path.

Examples galore come to mind.

This past spring when a coach attended a Sunday NIKE Camp, though it wasn't permitted, he made a minimal attempt at hiding his presence.

He did so because he realized that those in attendance aren't new to the recruiting game. The audience, veterans of the ins-and-outs of the recruiting process, wouldn't blink an eye over a minor transgression such as making in person evaluations on a Sunday.

As a group, we've seen enough of it to know that little things like that are commonplace on the recruiting trail.

Not two months ago a prominent program, knowing that a prospect idolized a certain former All-American, arranged to have that former player who has since moved on to the NFL, call said prospect who was still on the fence.

He spoke glowingly about the program he was once a big part of in order to help sway the young man.

Last year while out on the trail over the spring, an ACC coach (no not from an in-state program) was observed talking to a prospect at a high school practice – an obvious rule violation. When he spotted the Rivals.com shirt, he said, "You didn't see that did you." not as a question, but rather to make sure we were on the same page.

Though technically all of the above examples are against the rules, who's to say they really happened unless one of those who were privy to the events actually makes something out of it?

Who is to police the interaction between hundreds of coaches and thousands of prospects?

These things only come to light when a reporter decides to make mountains out of molehills.

Don't get me wrong, it isn't the the job of those covering the Gators to protect UF, Meyer or the football program.

However, it is their job to provide balance. Which in this case would be treating this as though it isn't the exception, but rather the rule.

While it may have made for a miserable week for Meyer, it still doesn't overshadow the overwhelming amount of positive he has brought to the Gator football program.
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:05 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:I heard something about Meyer being investigated for something against the rules in recruiting last year? Anyone know anything about this?


It was for this year. He called Carl Moore's g/f a bunch of times and told her he would get her into the gymnastics (or golf, I forget) program at Florida and get her a scholarship if Moore came to UF. Moore and her are both now at Florida and enrolled.

The school is taking action before the NCAA does.

We actually just talked about this in sports law today


Thanks for clearing that up, I was wondering about that.

Sports law actually sounds like a really cool class also ;-D
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby deerayfan072 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:23 pm

A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:I heard something about Meyer being investigated for something against the rules in recruiting last year? Anyone know anything about this?


It was for this year. He called Carl Moore's g/f a bunch of times and told her he would get her into the gymnastics (or golf, I forget) program at Florida and get her a scholarship if Moore came to UF. Moore and her are both now at Florida and enrolled.

The school is taking action before the NCAA does.

We actually just talked about this in sports law today


Thanks for clearing that up, I was wondering about that.

Sports law actually sounds like a really cool class also ;-D


It is. Last week we talked about the NCAA. We debated a playoff for the NCAA and paying athletes. Pretty neat stuff ;-D
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:38 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:It was for this year. He called Carl Moore's g/f a bunch of times and told her he would get her into the gymnastics (or golf, I forget) program at Florida and get her a scholarship if Moore came to UF. Moore and her are both now at Florida and enrolled.

The school is taking action before the NCAA does.

We actually just talked about this in sports law today


Thanks for clearing that up, I was wondering about that.

Sports law actually sounds like a really cool class also ;-D


It is. Last week we talked about the NCAA. We debated a playoff for the NCAA and paying athletes. Pretty neat stuff ;-D


Nice ;-D Sounds B-)
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Re: 2007 Florida Thread

Postby deerayfan072 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:10 pm

Great game against Vandy today ;-D
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