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Postby sklingem » Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:21 pm

I am in a league that just started. The scoring is listed below:

Passing:
Passing Touchdowns 6.0 point(s) for each
Passing Yards 2.0 point(s) for every 25 yard(s) 5.0 point(s) at 300 yard(s)

Passing Interceptions -2.0 point(s) for each
Rushing:
Rushing Touchdowns 6.0 point(s) for each
Rushing Yards 2.0 point(s) for every 10 yard(s) 5.0 point(s) at 150 yard(s)

Receiving:
Receiving Touchdowns 6.0 point(s) for each
Receiving Yards 2.0 point(s) for every 10 yard(s) 5.0 point(s) at 100 yard(s)

Miscellaneous:
Any Return Yards 2.0 point(s) for every 10 yard(s) 5.0 point(s) at 100 yard(s)

When you look at the points for return yards versus the yards for receiving/rushing, the returners become very valuable. Somethin I do not beleive the other owners have discovered. SO, I would like to capitalize on this.

The strategy is to move players like Caddy, Foster, Jordan to teams without RB depth to upgrade other position QB, TE. I could then pick up RBs like Arrington or Hicks who get return yards. Given the points assigned above, these guys are ranked in the top 25 RB. Hicks finished above C. Taylor and Addai.

Am I missing anything here?
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby Plindsey88 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:56 am

That scoring system is ridiculous... You could easily win this league playing nothing but return men at WR and RB... I like your thinking... Nail down Manning and Gates using your existing WR's and RB's and trade bait and then target returners to fill the WR and RB spots...

Don't forget about BJ Sams... With this scoring he should be a beast at RB... He was injured last year, but it's rare to find a RB who returns both kicks and punts... He's won return leagues for me in the past...
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby sklingem » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:52 am

Looks like Sams is a DB. I can not find him listed as a RB in Yahoo or Foxsports.

I have the guys underlined rostered. The guys in bold I will try and pick up. A guy in my league will look to add Hester already.

AR: Arrington(RB)
ATL: Rossum (DB)
Bal: Sams (DB)
BUF: McGee (CB)
CAR: ?
CHI: Hester (WR)
CIN: T. Perry (WR)
CLE: Cribbs (WR)
DAL: ?
DEN: Morgan (WR)
DET: ?
HOU: J. Jones (WR)
IND: Rushing (DB)
GB: ?
JAX: MJD (RB)
KC: Drummond (WR)
MIA: R. Brown (RB)
MIN: Wade (WR)
NO: ?
NE: Hobbs (CB)
NYG: ?
NYJ: Miller (CB)
PHI: Bloom (WR)
OAK: Carr (CB)
PITT: Reid (WR)
SEA: Burelson (WR)
STL: Horn (WR)
SF: Hicks (RB)
SD: Sproles (RB)
TB: Jones (WR)
TEN: Finnegan (DB)
WA: Cartwright (RB)

Thanks for the verification. ;-D

Any Favorite pick-ups?
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby Plindsey88 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:14 am

sklingem wrote:Looks like Sams is a DB. I can not find him listed as a RB in Yahoo or Foxsports.

I have the guys underlined rostered. The guys in bold I will try and pick up. A guy in my league will look to add Hester already.

AR: Arrington(RB)
ATL: Rossum (DB)
Bal: Sams (DB)
BUF: McGee (CB)
CAR: ?
CHI: Hester (WR)
CIN: T. Perry (WR)
CLE: Cribbs (WR)
DAL: ?
DEN: Morgan (WR)
DET: ?
HOU: J. Jones (WR)
IND: Rushing (DB)
GB: ?
JAX: MJD (RB)
KC: Drummond (WR)
MIA: R. Brown (RB)
MIN: Wade (WR)
NO: ?
NE: Hobbs (CB)
NYG: ?
NYJ: Miller (CB)
PHI: Bloom (WR)
OAK: Carr (CB)
PITT: Reid (WR)
SEA: Burelson (WR)
STL: Horn (WR)
SF: Hicks (RB)
SD: Sproles (RB)
TB: Jones (WR)
TEN: Finnegan (DB)
WA: Cartwright (RB)

Thanks for the verification. ;-D

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Ouch... I guess the BJ Sams thing is a new development... I know he was a RB in 2005... In any case, regarding the RB's on your list:

Darren Sproles has enormous potential if he is the primary return guy... The Chargers like to work him in on offense from time to time...

I would be hesitant about drafting Cartwright until rosters are finalized... The Skins will have to cut one of Derrick Blaylock, Marcus Mason, or Rock Cartwright, and I am not comfortable guessing which one it will be...

I like Maurice Hicks... I'd draft him in this system...

I like JJ Arrington... I'd draft him in this system...

Ronnie Brown will not actually be returning kicks come the regular season... If Cameron REALLY wants to give that responsibility to someone other than Ted Ginn it'll be Lorenzo Booker... If he says anything otherwise, it's only coach-speak...

Obviously if Jones-Drew or Reggie Bush continue to return kicks this year they're absolute studs in this system... But I doubt that'll happen...

There is a very real possibility that Vernand Morency will be returning kicks in Green Bay... So put him on your radar...

I'd also keep an eye on what happens to Chad Morton... There's a chance he'll get picked up by somebody to return kicks and serve as a RB4... If that happens he could be a nice waiver pick in this league...
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby kage812004 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:18 pm

im in a similar league and kick returners who also play offense or defense are HUGE...i have Hester, Jacoby Jones(somthing tells me he could have a huge year), Carr(oak), Burleson, and the rookie from Carolina Ryne Robinson(should have the job).

what about Robert Meachem, rookie for NO, he might be there #3 or 4 wr and i believe hes the favorite for kick and punt returns, so he might be a nice sleeper, correct me if im wrong?

Sproles is another one im keeping a eye on and might grab if he gets the job.
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby Felix the Cat » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:29 am

Drummond was a beast of a returner in Detroit and is filling Dante Hall's shoes in Kansas City now...
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby sklingem » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:13 pm

So, the top KR for RB might be:

Bush (if he returns kicks)
MJD
D. Williams
Arrington
Hicks
Cartwright

The top three would be the best to roster but Arrington/Hicks should be safe. Cartwright if he makes the team.

Top KR for WR:

Burleson
Wade
T. Perry (I thought I read he looked slower since his hip injury)
Hall
Jacoby Jones (is he returning kicks/I think he might be WR3 in Houston)
Drummond

Any others? Hall might be better for rostering since he does both KR/PR and might see time with Holt's knee?

As you can imagine Bush, MJD, D. Williams, Burelson, Wade will probably go early in drafts (due to their potential at positions as well). Who are the next best guys?
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby ctt8410 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:50 pm

Here's what I've got written down as of right now:

ARI: Arrington(RB)
ATL: Rossum (DB)
Bal: Sams (DB) or Figurs (WR)
BUF: McGee (CB)
CAR: Ryne Robinson (WR)
CHI: Hester (WR)
CIN: T. Perry (WR)
CLE: Cribbs (WR)
DAL: Thompson (RB)
DEN: Morgan (WR)
DET: Ellis (WR) or Walters (WR)
HOU: Mathis (WR) possibly Johnson (WR)
IND: Rushing (DB)
GB: Morency (RB) or Blackmon (CB) if he's hurt
JAX: MJD (RB)
KC: Drummond (WR)
MIA: R. Brown (RB)/Chatman (RB) probably Ginn (WR) later in the year
MIN: Wade (WR)
NO: Moore (WR) and occasionally Bush (RB)
NE: Pretty much the entire team...
NYG: Ward (RB)
NYJ: Miller (CB)
PHI: Bloom (WR)
OAK: Carr (CB)
PITT: Reid (WR)
SEA: Burleson (WR)
STL: Hall (WR)
SF: Hicks (RB)
SD: Sproles (RB)
TB: Jones (WR)
TEN: Finnegan (DB)
WA: Cartwright (RB)
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby ctt8410 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:55 pm

sklingem wrote:So, the top KR for RB might be:

Bush (if he returns kicks)
MJD
D. Williams
Arrington
Hicks
Cartwright

The top three would be the best to roster but Arrington/Hicks should be safe. Cartwright if he makes the team.

Top KR for WR:

Burleson
Wade
T. Perry (I thought I read he looked slower since his hip injury)
Hall
Jacoby Jones (is he returning kicks/I think he might be WR3 in Houston)
Drummond

Any others? Hall might be better for rostering since he does both KR/PR and might see time with Holt's knee?

As you can imagine Bush, MJD, D. Williams, Burelson, Wade will probably go early in drafts (due to their potential at positions as well). Who are the next best guys?


I think it's important in leagues like this to keep track of players who are in charge of both PR and KR duties. As of right now, the following players look to be starting the season as the primary return man on both:

Sproles (RB)
Hall (WR)
Hester (WR)
J. Miller (CB)
Burleson (WR)
Robinson (WR)
Finegan (CB)

There are also a couple guys who could win both jobs depending on how things shake out:

Ginn (WR)
Breaston (WR)
L. Moore (WR)
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Re: Kick/Punt Return Strategy

Postby ateam » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:31 pm

Props on this post..nice work compiling the data in one spot. ;-D

Defininetly a helpful post heading into my drafts for me!
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