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Postby sox 06 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:24 pm

I almost never get a cart but if I need to play fast or if I'm tired, I will sometimes get one. Making golfers take a cart to speed up play isn't right IMO, golf isn't suppose to be played fast.
EAST MEADOW, N.Y. (AP) - A Long Island woman is boycotting her favorite course. A man in Florida has published a book and filed lawsuits to defend his rights. A former golf executive thinks the game, under these circumstances, shouldn't even be called golf.

"It ought to be called 'cart ball.' It isn't golf," said Sandy Tatum, a bona fide golf purist who once served as president of the U.S. Golf Association and won an NCAA golf championship at Stanford.

A growing number of cities and counties are mandating the use of electric or gas-powered carts, believing they are needed to speed play and therefore allow more golfers on the course.

Officials in Nassau County, on Long Island, came under fire last month when they announced that carts would be required for anyone wishing to play its premier municipal 18-hole course - Eisenhower Red, a Robert Trent Jones-designed loop that annually hosts a PGA Champions Tour event for golf professionals older than 50.

It is not known how many other courses around the country have similar policies. Anecdotal evidence suggests it has become more of an issue in densely populated areas where large numbers people are competing for relatively small number of tee times.

Nassau County officials argued that Eisenhower Red is so popular that carts are necessary to keep up the pace of play. They contend that anyone who wants to walk can still use the county's two adjacent 18-hole courses at the park named in honor of one of the country's best-known presidential duffers.

Of course, the added income from golfers paying up to $29 each to rent a cart won't hurt the bottom line in a county that only several years ago teetered on the brink of bankruptcy.

"We're not doing it for the money," Deputy County Executive Peter Gerbasi said after the policy went into effect. "We're trying to make the course more available to more people."

Adrienne Danzig of Westbury isn't buying it. She is among the golfers who contend that carts are anathema to the sport.

"I love to walk," she said on a recent summer morning as she prepared to grab her pull cart from the trunk of her car. "I think golf is made for walking unless you're at a resort where you have to walk a mile to the next hole. I've played here for many years, love to walk, love the Red Course, and they have completely destroyed this option."

Rich Martorana of Massapequa said it was wrong to insist on carts, especially on a public course. He also questions whether carts have actually made for quicker rounds.

"I use carts with my friend all the time," he said. "However, you shouldn't force people on a public golf course to now take up a cart. And it doesn't speed up play. It hasn't improved anything. ... I think the county is simply making money on the deal."

Beyond the fiscal benefits for the county treasury are the physical advantages, said Brett Ostrager of Woodbury.

"Being a physician, I think it's good exercise for people to be able to walk the course," he said. "If people follow the rules of the game, I think the pace is probably the same. ... Most people that walk do know the rules of the game."

Despite the exercise benefit, plenty of golfers prefer never having to lug around a set of golf clubs for several miles on a hot summer day. They want to drive up to their ball, hit and move on to the next shot - and hopefully finish their round in four hours.

Tatum isn't one of them. He contends that charging extra for carts inhibits people from all economic classes from enjoying the game.

"I think it's outrageous that they add that charge," he said. "One of the important problems we are trying to address is how to make golf accessible. Add that to the cost of golf and you deprive some people from coming out."

Dan Zurla, a retiree from Port Orange, Fla., wrote a self-published book, called, "A Civil Right: The Freedom to Walk a Public Golf Course," and has filed lawsuits with little success against the municipalities of Daytona Beach, Ormond Beach and Port Orange, which have mandatory cart policies.

He argues that his constitutional right to liberty has been infringed by policies that prevent him from walking the links. He wrote an opinion piece that appeared in Sports Illustrated last year, supporting the rights of walkers.

"Requiring golf carts changes the basic nature of the game and deprives people of their liberty to choose," he said. "Governments cannot make walking illegal on public land without a good reason."
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby Madison » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:09 pm

Random thoughts:

#1. I always thought of all the walking as part of the game (endurance). If anyone here hasn't walked 18 holes, or think walking 18 holes instead of riding doesn't change anything, try it sometime. ;-)

#2. If it's "required" that everyone use a cart now, I think the club should provide them free of charge. They say it's not about the money, so I say they should put their carts where there mouth is.
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby joelamosobadiah » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:28 pm

Madison wrote:Random thoughts:

#1. I always thought of all the walking as part of the game (endurance). If anyone here hasn't walked 18 holes, or think walking 18 holes instead of riding doesn't change anything, try it sometime. ;-)

#2. If it's "required" that everyone use a cart now, I think the club should provide them free of charge. They say it's not about the money, so I say they should put their carts where there mouth is.


Yeah, I don't golf much, but the few times I have I have not used a cart and it definitely does take some stamina to walk 18 holes. Besides, I think that's a lot of the fun in it. ;-D

And I agree. I think that they should at least charge an extremely nominal fee for carts if they charge anything. Prove it if its the truth. ;-D
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby whodey#9 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:50 pm

How do you guys not use carts? The 6 beers you can randomly fit in the pockets of your bag are just not enough for 18 holes. You have to have a cart to carry the cooler.
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby Madison » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:53 pm

whodey#9 wrote:How do you guys not use carts? The 6 beers you can randomly fit in the pockets of your bag are just not enough for 18 holes. You have to have a cart to carry the cooler.


Get two caddies. One for the clubs, one for beer runs. :-D
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby whodey#9 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:13 pm

Madison wrote:
whodey#9 wrote:How do you guys not use carts? The 6 beers you can randomly fit in the pockets of your bag are just not enough for 18 holes. You have to have a cart to carry the cooler.


Get two caddies. One for the clubs, one for beer runs. :-D


:-b never thought of that ;-D :-D
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby dream_017 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:31 am

whodey#9 wrote:How do you guys not use carts? The 6 beers you can randomly fit in the pockets of your bag are just not enough for 18 holes. You have to have a cart to carry the cooler.

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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby WickedSmaat » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:58 am

I feel like I need to slow down when I'm using a cart. And I agree with Mad, if they feel they need to require them, just make them free of charge(though you can always do that and just up the greens fees). But nothing like getting out at 6 in the morning in the mist and hitting the ball into the sunrise ;D
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby moonhead » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:46 am

the problem is, that this is a championship golf course. and people will come out to this course and be idiots and say "let's play the tips! i want to see the whole course!". well, sorry guy, i saw you on the range and you're going to be seeing plenty of the course no matter what tees you play. somehow, i don't think this will stick.
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Re: Golf Cart Controversy

Postby sox 06 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:44 am

WickedSmaat wrote:I feel like I need to slow down when I'm using a cart. And I agree with Mad, if they feel they need to require them, just make them free of charge(though you can always do that and just up the greens fees). But nothing like getting out at 6 in the morning in the mist and hitting the ball into the sunrise ;D

That's the main reason why I almost never get a cart, I feel I rush all of my shots and I don't enjoy the round as much as I do when I walk the course.
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