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Postby josebach » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:24 pm

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Omaha Red Sox wrote:My stance on this is that there are always imperfections in any system. You try to eliminate them as much as possible, but you will never be completely sure 100% of the time. One is too many, yes, but I'll be damned if I gave up capital punishment as an option because an innocent man, presumably, could die. What's the difference between an innocent man being killed versus spending the rest of his life in jail. They're both wrong. I don't want to eliminate an option just because someone might be wrong. Someone will be wrong. But someone will be wrong either way. One way you just feel a little worse about the end result.

The difference is that a man spending life in prison can be released if new evidence finds him not guilty, while the dead man is still dead.

This simple difference means we can NOT afford to kill anyone. NOT ONE PERSON should ever, ever be killed by the state for a crime he did not commit.

They are both wrong, but one wrong is irrevocable, while the other is at least partially revocable.


Another thing to consider is that a dead man cannot kill again or escape from prison. If you take a convicted murderer and put him behind bars for the rest of his life, he will no doubt have the opportunity at some point in the future to either kill a guard or another prisoner. The real question is if the number of future murder victims (killed by convicted murderers) will be fewer or greater than innocent people unjustly put to death?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm....
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby Nfl Fan » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:28 pm

Jessica Lunsford...
9 year old little girl.

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John Couey...
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Couey was convicted of breaking into her home Feb. 24, 2005, taking her to his bedroom, holding her captive for a short time, raping her and then burying her alive.


He is to die. Somebody please tell me that this animal should not pay the price for this horrendous crime with his life. Anybody?
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby deerayfan072 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:40 pm

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He is to die. Somebody please tell me that this animal should not pay the price for this horrendous crime with his life. Anybody?


let him into gen pop, it will be a much worse existence than dieing.

To Jose,

Murder is a crime of passion, most murders will never kill again. I know many corrections officers and they said the people they want around them are murderers because they are safer.
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby knapplc » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:43 pm

Will killing John Couey bring Jessica Lunsford back to life? Will it make her death OK?

Nothing makes my blood boil more than her story. Nothing. But having an emotional response to this crime is not productive. It will not fix the wrong.
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby josebach » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:45 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
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He is to die. Somebody please tell me that this animal should not pay the price for this horrendous crime with his life. Anybody?


let him into gen pop, it will be a much worse existence than dieing.

To Jose,

Murder is a crime of passion, most murders will never kill again. I know many corrections officers and they said the people they want around them are murderers because they are safer.


Most prisoners put to death are guilty. The question is, which "most" is greater?
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby treat24 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:45 pm

Nfl Fan wrote:Jessica Lunsford...
9 year old little girl.

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John Couey...
Previously convicted sex offender.

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Couey was convicted of breaking into her home Feb. 24, 2005, taking her to his bedroom, holding her captive for a short time, raping her and then burying her alive.


He is to die. Somebody please tell me that this animal should not pay the price for this horrendous crime with his life. Anybody?


ok, life imprisonment, no parole ever, maximum security prison. child rapists are not liked in prison either. should be hell for him in prison for the rest of his life. glad you asked. there's my answer ;-D

I'm not against killing a man like he appears to be (i do not know the facts of this case). However, he appears to be 100% guilty and I don't have any problem with a man like that dying for his crime. My problem comes in the fact that many of these cases are not so cut and dry and innocent people, still to this day, are found guilty of a crime they didn't commit and get served with a death sentence.

I also agree with knapp's post right above mine.
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby knapplc » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:46 pm

josebach wrote:
knapplc wrote:
Omaha Red Sox wrote:My stance on this is that there are always imperfections in any system. You try to eliminate them as much as possible, but you will never be completely sure 100% of the time. One is too many, yes, but I'll be damned if I gave up capital punishment as an option because an innocent man, presumably, could die. What's the difference between an innocent man being killed versus spending the rest of his life in jail. They're both wrong. I don't want to eliminate an option just because someone might be wrong. Someone will be wrong. But someone will be wrong either way. One way you just feel a little worse about the end result.

The difference is that a man spending life in prison can be released if new evidence finds him not guilty, while the dead man is still dead.

This simple difference means we can NOT afford to kill anyone. NOT ONE PERSON should ever, ever be killed by the state for a crime he did not commit.

They are both wrong, but one wrong is irrevocable, while the other is at least partially revocable.


Another thing to consider is that a dead man cannot kill again or escape from prison. If you take a convicted murderer and put him behind bars for the rest of his life, he will no doubt have the opportunity at some point in the future to either kill a guard or another prisoner. The real question is if the number of future murder victims (killed by convicted murderers) will be fewer or greater than innocent people unjustly put to death?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm....


The risk of further crime in prison is simply not enough of a deterrant for me to accept the death of an innocent person wrongfully convicted.
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby josebach » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:02 pm

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The risk of further crime in prison is simply not enough of a deterrant for me to accept the death of an innocent person wrongfully convicted.


I agree with you to a point, however if I were a betting man, I'd guess the number of murders committed by convicted murders faaaar outweigh the number of innocent people put to death. Some of those murder victims are innocent guards. Not only that, but if there was no death penalty, how many more murder victims would there be in prison? It's definitely debateable whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent outside of prison, but when you have a prisoner already in jail for the rest of his life, what's the real deterrent to not kill again if there was no death penalty?
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby Nfl Fan » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:19 pm

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He is to die. Somebody please tell me that this animal should not pay the price for this horrendous crime with his life. Anybody?


let him into gen pop, it will be a much worse existence than dieing.



So....
You're advocating cruel and unusual punishment? :-?
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Re: Lethal injection challenged in Supreme Court...

Postby deerayfan072 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:24 pm

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deerayfan072 wrote:
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He is to die. Somebody please tell me that this animal should not pay the price for this horrendous crime with his life. Anybody?


let him into gen pop, it will be a much worse existence than dieing.



So....
You're advocating cruel and unusual punishment? :-?


its not cruel and unusual. I am just saying that living in prison for life, branded as a sex offender is worse than being killed.
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