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Postby matmat » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:24 pm

i came close to screaming at my television last monday night. i had the giants D, figured they'd be a good play -- and indeed, they were decent, scored OK, but kept forcing 3 and out after 3 and out... in reality, that's a very good defensive performance -- fantasy wise it gives nothing! (well, almost nothing, i guess the other team doesn't score to knock down the FP for the defence).

anyhow... anyone play in a league that counts 3 and outs (equivalently punts+turn-overs on downs)? or any other "different" defensive effectiveness stat?
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Postby dream_017 » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:46 pm

matmat wrote:i came close to screaming at my television last monday night. i had the giants D, figured they'd be a good play -- and indeed, they were decent, scored OK, but kept forcing 3 and out after 3 and out... in reality, that's a very good defensive performance -- fantasy wise it gives nothing! (well, almost nothing, i guess the other team doesn't score to knock down the FP for the defence).

anyhow... anyone play in a league that counts 3 and outs (equivalently punts+turn-overs on downs)? or any other "different" defensive effectiveness stat?

Not that I have seen, but you are right a 3 and out isn't that effective in fantasy scoring...thats why you go to IDP ;-D
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Postby thriftyrocker » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:37 pm

Total yards would be a similar idea, and easier to track.
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Re: defensive stats... effectiveness?

Postby eaglesrule » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:48 pm

Defenses are hard in general. I don't like total yards, for the same reason I don't like the NFL rankings based on that, as teams are content to let up yards if need be when ahead, just not points.

3 and outs would be cool, like .5 points for each three and out forced. Although, the other problem with that is, did you really do that well if you let two first downs, then a three and out?
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Re: defensive stats... effectiveness?

Postby matmat » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:01 pm

eaglesrule wrote:Defenses are hard in general. I don't like total yards, for the same reason I don't like the NFL rankings based on that, as teams are content to let up yards if need be when ahead, just not points.

3 and outs would be cool, like .5 points for each three and out forced. Although, the other problem with that is, did you really do that well if you let two first downs, then a three and out?


that's why maybe punts forced + 4th down stops would be good
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