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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby deerayfan072 » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:48 pm

APAP wrote:Also, nobody mentioned Wells from Ohio State. I think he could be a decent option as well.


wells can't declare next year thats why he wasnt mentioned
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby deerayfan072 » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:50 pm

Axl's Army wrote:
mikus wrote:You might get some more love (and better answers) to this question if you go here:

viewforum.php?f=17

Some real die-hard college folks up in there.

McFadden, to me, clearly is the most talented and NFL-ready back of all the backs in college. He is the clear cut No. 1 RB in the class IMHO.


No. No you won't. The information in that forum is as stale as Tony Kornheiser's bull crap jokes. I hate that guy, as an aside.


Thats because no one wants to talk about Iowa :-b
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby APAP » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:46 am

deerayfan072 wrote:
APAP wrote:Also, nobody mentioned Wells from Ohio State. I think he could be a decent option as well.


wells can't declare next year thats why he wasnt mentioned


Ohh, ok I didn't realize that
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby CC » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:37 am

steelerfan513 wrote:The one knock on Mendenhall is that he doesn't run in an NFL-style offense. The Illini run the spread, and Mendenhall benefits from the athleticism that Juice Williams brings to the quarterback position. He's definitely got the size to succeed in the NFL, and maybe he can run well in an NFL-style offense, but my guess is that teams will cite the offense the Illini run and be a bit cautious with drafting him.


He may benefit somewhat from Juice, but no more than Felix Jones benefits from McFadden running in the Wildcat offense. Also, the benefits of Juice in the running game are negated by the fact that he is a terrible passing QB and teams don't have to defend against the pass so they can key on Mendenhall.
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby sappisgod » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:15 am

CC wrote:He may benefit somewhat from Juice, but no more than Felix Jones benefits from McFadden running in the Wildcat offense. Also, the benefits of Juice in the running game are negated by the fact that he is a terrible passing QB and teams don't have to defend against the pass so they can key on Mendenhall.


Eh, even though Arkansas uses more Wildcat than you'd expect, they don't use it that much to where Jones would really get a sizable benefit. John Stewart and Dennis Dixon would be a better comparison, as Dixon has made a lot of Oregon's most crucial plays with his feet.

Teams can't "key" in on Mendenhall when they're still worried Juice has the ball. It's the Michael Vick complex.
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby deerayfan072 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:28 am

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CC wrote:He may benefit somewhat from Juice, but no more than Felix Jones benefits from McFadden running in the Wildcat offense. Also, the benefits of Juice in the running game are negated by the fact that he is a terrible passing QB and teams don't have to defend against the pass so they can key on Mendenhall.


Eh, even though Arkansas uses more Wildcat than you'd expect, they don't use it that much to where Jones would really get a sizable benefit. John Stewart and Dennis Dixon would be a better comparison, as Dixon has made a lot of Oregon's most crucial plays with his feet.

Teams can't "key" in on Mendenhall when they're still worried Juice has the ball. It's the Michael Vick complex.


Are you kidding? Jones benefits immensely from Arkansas using the Wildcat formation and guys keying in on McFadden.
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby Dhark » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:05 pm

The local buzz on Mendenhall is that he is going. He is definately a guy I will be targeting in the draft. Unfortunately everyone around here is an Illini fan, he will likely be priced out of value. Mendenhall may have only rushed for 88yds on Sat. but it was against Ohio St. You may want to add defenses they played. It's nice to have some selection next year w/ some real depth at RB coming into the NFL.
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby sappisgod » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:53 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:Are you kidding? Jones benefits immensely from Arkansas using the Wildcat formation and guys keying in on McFadden.


Are you kidding? I was saying that Arkansas doesn't use it to an every down basis, so it's tough to attribute Jones' success to that. A lot of Jones' best plays have been on kick returns and QB hand offs when D-Mac isn't even in the picture. This isn't the case for Stewart, Mendenhall, et al.
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby deerayfan072 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:09 am

sappisgod wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:Are you kidding? Jones benefits immensely from Arkansas using the Wildcat formation and guys keying in on McFadden.


Are you kidding? I was saying that Arkansas doesn't use it to an every down basis, so it's tough to attribute Jones' success to that. A lot of Jones' best plays have been on kick returns and QB hand offs when D-Mac isn't even in the picture. This isn't the case for Stewart, Mendenhall, et al.


They don't use it on an every down basis you are right, but Jone is in the game when they do run it, but not always when they are not in it.
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Re: College RB's - Who will be the best in the pro's?

Postby CC » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:36 am

sappisgod wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:Are you kidding? Jones benefits immensely from Arkansas using the Wildcat formation and guys keying in on McFadden.


Are you kidding? I was saying that Arkansas doesn't use it to an every down basis, so it's tough to attribute Jones' success to that. A lot of Jones' best plays have been on kick returns and QB hand offs when D-Mac isn't even in the picture. This isn't the case for Stewart, Mendenhall, et al.


I think you are vastly overestimating Juice's worth as a threat on offense. Yes, he is fast, but he is also a terrible QB and there have been calls for McGee to take his job on and off all year (Zooker putting in a freshman QB at times when he is trying to develop a raw sophmore QB isn't exactly a vote of confidence).

Dixon granted is a big threat that has to be accounted for, but Juice is no more of a threat than the average college QB and is significantly worse than some.
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