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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby FatFoot » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:39 pm

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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby AllDay » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:59 am

Popcynical wrote:Jennings is tied for 6th place in receiving TDs with 7. Favre spreads the ball around, so that's why we have no top 10 receivers for yards.

Lee is just another option that Favre has to go to should there be a good matchup with the defense.


And NE, DAL, CIN, IND don't spread the ball around? The top 10 in receiving yards is littered with players from those teams.

Lee is having a solid season. I've got him on teams I ignored TE for far too long, but I remain convinced his value is tied to his QB and his own abilities more than the quality of the WR's around him.

Does it help having a decent set of WR's around to draw some coverage away from him? Sure, but having a good RB can do that as well since teams might put 8 in the box, or having a good OL will allow the QB more time to find an open guy.
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Postby Popcynical » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:40 am

They obviously don't spread the ball around as much as the Packers.

Player (receiving yards)

Donald Driver (685)
Greg Jennings (565)
James Jones (519)
Donald Lee (458)

Randy Moss (924)
Wes Welker (651)
Donte' Stallworth (453)
Ben Watson (232)

Terrell Owens (855)
Jason Witten (629)
Patrick Crayton (466)
Marion Barber (182)

Chad Johnson (938)
TJ Houshmandzadeh (806)
Kenny Watson (242)
Glen Holt (143)

Reggie Wayne (945)
Dallas Clark (418)
Joseph Addai (255)
Marvin Harrison (247)

As you can see the Packers were the only team out of the ones you listed whose top 4 receivers each have over 450 yards.
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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby Kilroy » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:50 am

Lee has gone from "Who?" to "if the Matchup's Right" to "Start Him".

He's going to be inconsistent (he is a Tight End after all), but he's become a viable weekly starter in that slot, which is saying quite a bit given that he was undrafted in 99.999999% of leagues.
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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby AllDay » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:00 am

Popcynical wrote:They obviously don't spread the ball around as much as the Packers.

Player (receiving yards)

Donald Driver (685)
Greg Jennings (565)
James Jones (519)
Donald Lee (458)

Randy Moss (924)
Wes Welker (651)
Donte' Stallworth (453)
Ben Watson (232)

Terrell Owens (855)
Jason Witten (629)
Patrick Crayton (466)
Marion Barber (182)

Chad Johnson (938)
TJ Houshmandzadeh (806)
Kenny Watson (242)
Glen Holt (143)

Reggie Wayne (945)
Dallas Clark (418)
Joseph Addai (255)
Marvin Harrison (247)

As you can see the Packers were the only team out of the ones you listed whose top 4 receivers each have over 450 yards.


...or, they don't spread it around as much once you make the cutoff 200 yards.

GB
Donald Driver 602
Donald Lee 409
James Jones 494
Greg Jennings 517

NE
Wes Welker 651
Randy Moss 924
Donte' Stallworth 453
Kevin Faulk 210
Benjamin Watson 232

IND
Reggie Wayne 870
Dallas Clark 403
Joseph Addai 221
Marvin Harrison 247
Anthony Gonzalez 207


...or if you look further and make 100 yards the cutoff:

GB
Donald Driver 602
Donald Lee 409
James Jones 494
Greg Jennings 517
Vernand Morency 127


CIN
T.J. Houshmandzadeh 719
Chad Johnson 852
Kenny Watson 192
Glenn Holt 143
Reggie Kelly 131
Rudi Johnson 100

DAL
Terrell Owens 855
Jason Witten 629
Patrick Crayton 466
Marion Barber 182
Julius Jones 129
Sam Hurd 141

IND
Reggie Wayne 870
Dallas Clark 403
Joseph Addai 221
Marvin Harrison 247
Anthony Gonzalez 207
Ben Utecht 157
Bryan Fletcher 113

...but I appreciate all your efforts. I now realize that TO's success is due to other teams keying on fullback Oliver Hoyte, and that Brady is having a career year because the other teams are focusing on keeping the punting unit off the field.
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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby FatFoot » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:04 am

Nice troll. :)

The statistics back up a couple of things.

1). The Green Bay Packers are currently the league leader in passing yardage per game average.
2). There have been 4 primary targets in Favre's passing game.
3). Favre has used 13 targets this year. He is spreading the ball around.

You're used to a WR1 getting the vast majority of the looks. Or in some cases, a WR1a and WR1b getting a split. In Green Bay's league leading passing yardage offense, there are 4 guys with reasonably close yardage. That's called spreading the ball around. That's called making plays. You have no credibility, the moment you act like Driver isn't a top WR threat.

What is your explanation for the fact that Favre leads the league in yards, and yet none of the Packers are in the top 10 in receiving yards? They suck? They're average? In order for that statistic to exist, the wide outs have to make those catches. They're making all the right plays, the team is 9-1, they're getting all the yardage, but it's not all going to one guy. Figure it out.
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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby mattUTD20 » Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:04 pm

He will be useless again when Franks comes back.
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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby robotninja » Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:21 pm

mattUTD20 wrote:He will be useless again when Franks comes back.



I dont think so, with the big contract that Lee has signed and the performances of both players, along with the fact that Franks is gettin older I dont see a lot of future for Franks with the Pack, its been a good ride, but all things must come to an end.

I also think that Lee will continue to be a solid TE as long as Favre is throwing the ball and Driver/Jennings/Jones are running their routes cleanly and making big plays.
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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby skibrett15 » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:00 pm

robotninja wrote:
mattUTD20 wrote:He will be useless again when Franks comes back.



I dont think so, with the big contract that Lee has signed and the performances of both players, along with the fact that Franks is gettin older I dont see a lot of future for Franks with the Pack, its been a good ride, but all things must come to an end.

I also think that Lee will continue to be a solid TE as long as Favre is throwing the ball and Driver/Jennings/Jones are running their routes cleanly and making big plays.

That is an uninformed post (the first one). I agree franks is done after the season. Also, franks is very slow compared to Lee and he wasn't even the starter, Lee was the starter the whole season.

And if we look further and make 100 yards the cutoff...
Ruvell martin has 170 yards who you conveniently left out, and Koren Robinson has 60 yards in 3 games. The RB position is in flux, so we don't have consistent production from a specific player, but we have a good amount of receiving yards from the backs as well with about 400 yards receiving from Grant, Jackson, Wynn and Morency.

So, er the packers spread the ball around. Still, Lee is a decent TE in a year which most are flakes. he doesn't have huge yardage potential, but his average game is up there with the best.
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Re: Donald Lee?

Postby mattUTD20 » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:31 pm

Here's Lee's first five games before Franks gets injured:
4 rec 27 yds
4 rec 35 yds 1 TD
4 rec 44 yds
4 rec 66 yds
3 rec 23 yds
Avg: 39 yds a game, 4.6 fantasy pts/g

Franks' first 5 games:
2 rec 17 yds
4 rec 20 yds 1 TD
1 rec 5 yds 1 TD
4 rec 30 yds
3 rec 18 yds
Avg: 18 yds a game, 3.8 fantasy pts/g

I wouldn't count on Lee putting up the numbers he is now when Franks gets back. Unless Favre has developed a serious rapport with him, he will fall back into fantasy irrelevance (at least for this year).
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