Popcynical wrote:Jennings is tied for 6th place in receiving TDs with 7. Favre spreads the ball around, so that's why we have no top 10 receivers for yards.
Lee is just another option that Favre has to go to should there be a good matchup with the defense.
And NE, DAL, CIN, IND don't spread the ball around? The top 10 in receiving yards is littered with players from those teams.
Lee is having a solid season. I've got him on teams I ignored TE for far too long, but I remain convinced his value is tied to his QB and his own abilities more than the quality of the WR's around him.
Does it help having a decent set of WR's around to draw some coverage away from him? Sure, but having a good RB can do that as well since teams might put 8 in the box, or having a good OL will allow the QB more time to find an open guy.
Lee has gone from "Who?" to "if the Matchup's Right" to "Start Him".
He's going to be inconsistent (he is a Tight End after all), but he's become a viable weekly starter in that slot, which is saying quite a bit given that he was undrafted in 99.999999% of leagues.
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Popcynical wrote:They obviously don't spread the ball around as much as the Packers.
Player (receiving yards)
Donald Driver (685) Greg Jennings (565) James Jones (519) Donald Lee (458)
Randy Moss (924) Wes Welker (651) Donte' Stallworth (453) Ben Watson (232)
Terrell Owens (855) Jason Witten (629) Patrick Crayton (466) Marion Barber (182)
Chad Johnson (938) TJ Houshmandzadeh (806) Kenny Watson (242) Glen Holt (143)
Reggie Wayne (945) Dallas Clark (418) Joseph Addai (255) Marvin Harrison (247)
As you can see the Packers were the only team out of the ones you listed whose top 4 receivers each have over 450 yards.
...or, they don't spread it around as much once you make the cutoff 200 yards.
GB Donald Driver 602 Donald Lee 409 James Jones 494 Greg Jennings 517
NE Wes Welker 651 Randy Moss 924 Donte' Stallworth 453 Kevin Faulk 210 Benjamin Watson 232
IND Reggie Wayne 870 Dallas Clark 403 Joseph Addai 221 Marvin Harrison 247 Anthony Gonzalez 207
...or if you look further and make 100 yards the cutoff:
GB Donald Driver 602 Donald Lee 409 James Jones 494 Greg Jennings 517 Vernand Morency 127
CIN T.J. Houshmandzadeh 719 Chad Johnson 852 Kenny Watson 192 Glenn Holt 143 Reggie Kelly 131 Rudi Johnson 100
DAL Terrell Owens 855 Jason Witten 629 Patrick Crayton 466 Marion Barber 182 Julius Jones 129 Sam Hurd 141
IND Reggie Wayne 870 Dallas Clark 403 Joseph Addai 221 Marvin Harrison 247 Anthony Gonzalez 207 Ben Utecht 157 Bryan Fletcher 113
...but I appreciate all your efforts. I now realize that TO's success is due to other teams keying on fullback Oliver Hoyte, and that Brady is having a career year because the other teams are focusing on keeping the punting unit off the field.
1). The Green Bay Packers are currently the league leader in passing yardage per game average. 2). There have been 4 primary targets in Favre's passing game. 3). Favre has used 13 targets this year. He is spreading the ball around.
You're used to a WR1 getting the vast majority of the looks. Or in some cases, a WR1a and WR1b getting a split. In Green Bay's league leading passing yardage offense, there are 4 guys with reasonably close yardage. That's called spreading the ball around. That's called making plays. You have no credibility, the moment you act like Driver isn't a top WR threat.
What is your explanation for the fact that Favre leads the league in yards, and yet none of the Packers are in the top 10 in receiving yards? They suck? They're average? In order for that statistic to exist, the wide outs have to make those catches. They're making all the right plays, the team is 9-1, they're getting all the yardage, but it's not all going to one guy. Figure it out.
mattUTD20 wrote:He will be useless again when Franks comes back.
I dont think so, with the big contract that Lee has signed and the performances of both players, along with the fact that Franks is gettin older I dont see a lot of future for Franks with the Pack, its been a good ride, but all things must come to an end.
I also think that Lee will continue to be a solid TE as long as Favre is throwing the ball and Driver/Jennings/Jones are running their routes cleanly and making big plays.
10 Team Std Scoring No PPR QB Brees RB AP RB Ridley Flex Bradshaw WR Julio Jones WR Dez Bryant TE Daniels K and Def by committee
Bench Jordy Nelson, Ben Tate, David Nelson, Kendall Hunter, John Dwyer
mattUTD20 wrote:He will be useless again when Franks comes back.
I dont think so, with the big contract that Lee has signed and the performances of both players, along with the fact that Franks is gettin older I dont see a lot of future for Franks with the Pack, its been a good ride, but all things must come to an end.
I also think that Lee will continue to be a solid TE as long as Favre is throwing the ball and Driver/Jennings/Jones are running their routes cleanly and making big plays.
That is an uninformed post (the first one). I agree franks is done after the season. Also, franks is very slow compared to Lee and he wasn't even the starter, Lee was the starter the whole season.
And if we look further and make 100 yards the cutoff... Ruvell martin has 170 yards who you conveniently left out, and Koren Robinson has 60 yards in 3 games. The RB position is in flux, so we don't have consistent production from a specific player, but we have a good amount of receiving yards from the backs as well with about 400 yards receiving from Grant, Jackson, Wynn and Morency.
So, er the packers spread the ball around. Still, Lee is a decent TE in a year which most are flakes. he doesn't have huge yardage potential, but his average game is up there with the best.
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I wouldn't count on Lee putting up the numbers he is now when Franks gets back. Unless Favre has developed a serious rapport with him, he will fall back into fantasy irrelevance (at least for this year).
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by FatFoot » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:39 pm 
