Nfl Fan wrote:So... no. I got too much junk in my own life to point fingers at yours.
I know you wouldn't thinks so... and I'm glad Omaha doesn't think so.
I haven't had time to keep up with this thread or throw out my own opinions, however, I have read enough to keep up with it as best I can and I agree with NFL here. It's not like you are saying things or bringing things to the table that everybody hasn't already heard. You are arguing your point just like anybody else on this public forum can argue their own point.
Oh, and I read the first post of this thread and had the same "don't take the 'bait' thought that others mentioned", but I didn't really think you were trying to get into a discussion on morality or Christianity or anything controversial, but I could tell as soon as I read the first post that was where it was going to head.
josebach wrote:Just curious, but with my "secular" opinions and willingness to express them, do you guys think I'm evil or maybe that I'm spreading evil? (I promise i won't be offended if you say "yes")
Burn, you blasphemer!
Nah...I'm with you jose. I don't think being good in this life guarantees anything good in this life. But I also agree with ORS; we should try to do good because it's the right thing to do, not for reward in this life or the next.
And a thing I took away from that recent book I read (see book thread, again--highly recommended), it's that religion doesn't own a monopoly on morality or doing good deeds. Contrary to popular belief...Secular people aren't incapable of being exceedingly generous or helpful to the dregs of society. In fact, I admire them tremendously for how genuine each and every one of their acts are because their is absolutely no ulterior motive in what they are doing. They aren't hoping for a tally mark in the "Good" column to offset some of their tally marks in the "Bad" like some religious folks do. They are being good...genuinely good...for no other reason than that is the right thing to do. It is the definition of morality. It's an issue I wrestle with a lot. If there is a Heaven or some type of afterlife, like I believe, I would have a hard time keeping people like that out even if they never entered a church in their life.
josebach wrote:Just curious, but with my "secular" opinions and willingness to express them, do you guys think I'm evil or maybe that I'm spreading evil? (I promise i won't be offended if you say "yes")
Burn, you blasphemer!
If we burn the heretic at the stake does that count on the Grill-O-Meter?
Nothin' but love Jose. It's all good.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Voltaire
josebach wrote:Just curious, but with my "secular" opinions and willingness to express them, do you guys think I'm evil or maybe that I'm spreading evil? (I promise i won't be offended if you say "yes")
Burn, you blasphemer!
If we burn the heretic at the stake does that count on the Grill-O-Meter?
josebach wrote:Just curious, but with my "secular" opinions and willingness to express them, do you guys think I'm evil or maybe that I'm spreading evil? (I promise i won't be offended if you say "yes")
Burn, you blasphemer!
Nah...I'm with you jose. I don't think being good in this life guarantees anything good in this life. But I also agree with ORS; we should try to do good because it's the right thing to do, not for reward in this life or the next.
And a thing I took away from that recent book I read (see book thread, again--highly recommended), it's that religion doesn't own a monopoly on morality or doing good deeds. Contrary to popular belief...Secular people aren't incapable of being exceedingly generous or helpful to the dregs of society. In fact, I admire them tremendously for how genuine each and every one of their acts are because their is absolutely no ulterior motive in what they are doing. They aren't hoping for a tally mark in the "Good" column to offset some of their tally marks in the "Bad" like some religious folks do. They are being good...genuinely good...for no other reason than that is the right thing to do. It is the definition of morality. It's an issue I wrestle with a lot. If there is a Heaven or some type of afterlife, like I believe, I would have a hard time keeping people like that out even if they never entered a church in their life.
I, too, admire a man who is without faith, but still a good man. Because I don't know how he would do it. I couldn't. I didn't. Without God I'm a horrible person. That's just truth. I think Nfl would probably say the same thing. Joel wouldn't though. He's been a good little boy his whole life. His poop smells nice.
I pick on you Joel out of respect, I hope you know that.
I assure you guys, the question about whether or not the Christians here find me "evil" wasn't because I was worried if the answer was "yes". With all due respect, I know what kind of person I am and don't need any validation here. It's just that with as loosely as the term "evil" was being thrown around, it was as if anyone with conflicting beliefs fit the bill. I was really just curious more than anything.
Oh, and jayday's comments reminded me of myself a few years before I stopped being a Christian. It just didn't make sense and for me, being told to have faith wasn't good enough. You see, to me, when someone tells me to "have faith", it's the same thing as saying "trust me". Well, if something is true, I wouldn't need to be told "trust me" 400+ times in order to believe it, would I?
Omaha Red Sox wrote:I, too, admire a man who is without faith, but still a good man. Because I don't know how he would do it. I couldn't. I didn't. Without God I'm a horrible person. That's just truth. I think Nfl would probably say the same thing. Joel wouldn't though. He's been a good little boy his whole life. His poop smells nice.
If you really are a good person now, then you're not giving yourself enough credit. You control you, nobody else does.
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by joelamosobadiah » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:27 pm 
