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Postby lugmetric » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:53 am

So, we are entering our third year of Fantasy Football. We play in a two-keeper league, with the following rules:

1. A player being kept for the first time must be "paid for" with the round in which he was drafted in the previous year. IE, randy moss will be kept this year and will cost his owner a 5th round pick, since that's where he was taken last year.

2. if a player is kept for a second or third year, he costs what CBSsportsline (our website) ranks him as he enters that year. IE, my friend who picked up westbrook in the 2nd round two years ago will now have to pay a 1st round pick to hold on to him for another year.

3. no player may be kept for more than three consecutive years.

here's the problem:
one of the guys in our league traded so that he has both LT and addai on his team. both of these players have been keepered previously, and so each will cost 1st round picks to keep. the owner clearly does not have two first round picks to spend, and so there has been some debate on how to proceed. should he just use his 1st/2nd rounders and be done? or should there be some sort of penalty because he's getting addai for a 2nd round value? should this not be allowed at all?

thanks for your advice, guys.
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Re: Keeper Konfusion

Postby dream_017 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:07 am

lugmetric wrote:So, we are entering our third year of Fantasy Football. We play in a two-keeper league, with the following rules:

1. A player being kept for the first time must be "paid for" with the round in which he was drafted in the previous year. IE, randy moss will be kept this year and will cost his owner a 5th round pick, since that's where he was taken last year.

2. if a player is kept for a second or third year, he costs what CBSsportsline (our website) ranks him as he enters that year. IE, my friend who picked up westbrook in the 2nd round two years ago will now have to pay a 1st round pick to hold on to him for another year.

3. no player may be kept for more than three consecutive years.

here's the problem:
one of the guys in our league traded so that he has both LT and addai on his team. both of these players have been keepered previously, and so each will cost 1st round picks to keep. the owner clearly does not have two first round picks to spend, and so there has been some debate on how to proceed. should he just use his 1st/2nd rounders and be done? or should there be some sort of penalty because he's getting addai for a 2nd round value? should this not be allowed at all?

thanks for your advice, guys.

As I see it, based on the rules, he could only keep 1, since he does not have 2 first round picks.
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Re: Keeper Konfusion

Postby spodog » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:43 pm

lugmetric wrote:So, we are entering our third year of Fantasy Football. We play in a two-keeper league, with the following rules:

1. A player being kept for the first time must be "paid for" with the round in which he was drafted in the previous year. IE, randy moss will be kept this year and will cost his owner a 5th round pick, since that's where he was taken last year.

2. if a player is kept for a second or third year, he costs what CBSsportsline (our website) ranks him as he enters that year. IE, my friend who picked up westbrook in the 2nd round two years ago will now have to pay a 1st round pick to hold on to him for another year.

3. no player may be kept for more than three consecutive years.

here's the problem:
one of the guys in our league traded so that he has both LT and addai on his team. both of these players have been keepered previously, and so each will cost 1st round picks to keep. the owner clearly does not have two first round picks to spend, and so there has been some debate on how to proceed. should he just use his 1st/2nd rounders and be done? or should there be some sort of penalty because he's getting addai for a 2nd round value? should this not be allowed at all?

thanks for your advice, guys.


I really don't like the idea of using the CBSsportsline rankings to determine keeper value. However, since it is already in place . . .

For the owner who has both Addai and LT via trades, only allowing him to keep one would not be fair to him. He obviously gave up some value to acquire these guys and was likely thinking this would be a great 1-2 for his keeper combination, so that is not a good answer.

Options:
1. The cost to him will be a 2008 1st round pick AND a 2009 1st round pick
2. The cost to him will be a 2008 1st round, a 2008 2nd round and a 2008 5th round pick*

* - This is approximately equivalent to 2 1st round picks according to David Dodd's Pick Value Calculator at:
http://www.footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm
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Re: Keeper Konfusion

Postby dupree » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:35 pm

Here are our rules we don't allow keepers taken in rounds 1-3 the previous year. Although I must say you just highlighted a loop hole in our rules...what happens if you keep 3 fourth rounders (first player takes round 2 pick, second player - according to our rules - takes round 1 pick, third player currently isn't accounted for..I guess logic would say round 3 but that puts me in the same boat as you..i don't think it is fair...

# Players can be kept a maximum of 3 times.
- For example, you can draft a player in 2008, and then keep them for the next 3 years: 2009, 2010, 2011. In 2012, this player must go back into the draft pool of players.

# For each player you keep, you must give up a draft pick 2 rounds higher than the player's draft position the year before.
- If you keep an undrafted players (UDP) from the previous year, you must give up your 12th round pick.
- Players that were drafted and then cut still maintain their draft status.
- If you do not have a draft pick for the correct round to give up to keep a player, you must give up the next higher draft pick.

# Players drafted in rounds 1 - 3 cannot be keepers.
Example : You draft D. McFadded, RB OAK in round 5 in 2008. You decide to keep him. In 2009, he becomes your 3rd round draft pick (you give up a 3rd rounder). In 2010, because his draft status was round 3 in the previous year, he is no longer eligible for keeper status and is returned to the draft pool.

Hmm in the end i guess I didn't help you at all...but you did help me by pointing out a short-coming...Thanks!
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Re: Keeper Konfusion

Postby joejlitz » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:42 pm

Option 1 and 2 in the previous post sound fair. I would not force the owner to simply drop one of the two.
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Re: Keeper Konfusion

Postby tpflanz » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:41 am

I think the owner should lose a 1st and a 2nd THIS year. In no way should it affect a future year's draft. There is no telling what will happen this year. What if Addai blows out his knees and never plays in the NFL again? This team has lost a draft pick for nothing at all.

A question along those lines: Do you allow teams to trade away draft picks? If so, how do you handle it when a team is supposed to lose a draft pick in a round that they no longer have?

If the team is not allowed to keep both players then as a league you are discouraging trading all together.
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Re: Keeper Konfusion

Postby shawngee03 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:44 pm

i say LT and addai just fill up his first 2 rounds. good job by him of getting 2 first rounders. why is he being punished for being good? that would seem to discourage goodness
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Re: Keeper Konfusion

Postby Kilroy » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:51 am

dream_017 wrote:
lugmetric wrote:So, we are entering our third year of Fantasy Football. We play in a two-keeper league, with the following rules:

1. A player being kept for the first time must be "paid for" with the round in which he was drafted in the previous year. IE, randy moss will be kept this year and will cost his owner a 5th round pick, since that's where he was taken last year.

2. if a player is kept for a second or third year, he costs what CBSsportsline (our website) ranks him as he enters that year. IE, my friend who picked up westbrook in the 2nd round two years ago will now have to pay a 1st round pick to hold on to him for another year.

3. no player may be kept for more than three consecutive years.

here's the problem:
one of the guys in our league traded so that he has both LT and addai on his team. both of these players have been keepered previously, and so each will cost 1st round picks to keep. the owner clearly does not have two first round picks to spend, and so there has been some debate on how to proceed. should he just use his 1st/2nd rounders and be done? or should there be some sort of penalty because he's getting addai for a 2nd round value? should this not be allowed at all?

thanks for your advice, guys.

As I see it, based on the rules, he could only keep 1, since he does not have 2 first round picks.


Agreed. The owner should have known that it would take a (second) first round pick to keep Addai. It's not the Commissioner's responsibility to do due diligence on trades, it's the owner's.

That said, if you'd as soon avoid a brouhaha (that owner will almost certainly have a s**tfit if he has to give Addai up) then spodog's idea (a 1st for one keeper, a 2nd and a 5th for the other ("approximate value")) isn't a bad compromise if the other owners agree to it.

Either way you need to decide as a league how these types of trades will be handled going forward.
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