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How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby mekongplease » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:32 pm

A commish of several leagues died in a car accident on Friday.

The league I co-commish hasn't paid as it was a last second league.

The other 2 leagues have been paid for. Just don't know what to say or do.

With the leagues, the money situation any other things.

Thanks for any help with this difficult situation.
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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby mateo150 » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:08 pm

Tough one, just let that league go.
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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby Bobbleheadrusty » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:43 am

mateo150 wrote:Tough one, just let that league go.


yeah. may just want to write the year off and if there is outstanding money, worry about it next season.
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Postby spodog » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:03 pm

Take whatever money had been collected and buy flowers. Send them to the funeral home. Pray.
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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby mekongplease » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:28 pm

Our league minimal money had been collected. The worse situation was the other two league were bigger money league which he had already collected money for. It seem those entry fees are prob gone now. Which most people have seem to have accepted. Starting to see better ways to handle funds for the future. Seem about 6000 grand total is going to be gone between his 3 leagues. Like I said most have accepted it, know that there are more important things in this case.

As for the league I go commish, it was more last second and few had paid dues. It is looking like this will be more of free league this year. Still to close to make all decisions.

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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby TomBrooklyn » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:34 am

Sad situation. However, I don't see anything wrong with a new commissioner being appointed for the three leagues and a tasteful letter written to the family explaining the situation and politely asking for the funds to be restored so the leagues can continue. $6k is a substantial amount of money and there are a lot of people with time invested in the leagues and who were anticipating a full season of football with a payoff.

An optional consideration might be to deduct a small sum from each league collection and in the letter indicate you would like that amount to be donated to the family of the deceased.

Another option might be to memorialize the deceased in one or more of the leagues in some way. Perhaps the name of a league could be changed in honor of the deceased or something like that. This consideration could also be noted to the family in the letter that is sent.

As this is a legal matter, the letter ought to be made on formal letterhead and sending via certified mail return receipt requested might be advisable. Inquiry could be made if there are any lawyers in any of the leagues or if anyone has a lawyer in their family that might write the letter. A small fee for handling the matter (perhaps $100) could be awarded to the attorney.

Handled tactfully, I don't see why the funds might not be easily restored.

When an NFL player dies, or if the commissioner died, the team or league would typically have some kind of memorial remembrance--but they don't shut down the league, stop playing football or stop paying all the players.
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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby Bobbleheadrusty » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:58 am

TomBrooklyn wrote:Sad situation. However, I don't see anything wrong with a new commissioner being appointed for the three leagues and a tasteful letter written to the family explaining the situation and politely asking for the funds to be restored so the leagues can continue. $6k is a substantial amount of money and there are a lot of people with time invested in the leagues and who were anticipating a full season of football with a payoff.

An optional consideration might be to deduct a small sum from each league collection and in the letter indicate you would like that amount to be donated to the family of the deceased.

Another option might be to memorialize the deceased in one or more of the leagues in some way. Perhaps the name of a league could be changed in honor of the deceased or something like that. This consideration could also be noted to the family in the letter that is sent.

As this is a legal matter, the letter ought to be made on formal letterhead and sending via certified mail return receipt requested might be advisable. Inquiry could be made if there are any lawyers in any of the leagues or if anyone has a lawyer in their family that might write the letter. A small fee for handling the matter (perhaps $100) could be awarded to the attorney.

Handled tactfully, I don't see why the funds might not be easily restored.

When an NFL player dies, or if the commissioner died, the team or league would typically have some kind of memorial remembrance--but they don't shut down the league, stop playing football or stop paying all the players.



Wow. Just wow. Im sorry, I could not disagree more. Maybe you could do that if the death was 5-6 months ago, but it takes a special level of heartlessness to write a letter to a family demanding money within weeks of the death.

Sure, keep playing, with the understanding that IF the funds are eventually restored prizes will be put back in place. but dont write them asking for the money right now. This is different then your imaginary scenario as well. This isnt a billion dollar business with 1000s of employees that needs to keep running, this is a game, a gambling venture. These arent paychecks being sent out, this is money you have already budgeted to lose that you arent guaranteed to get back anyway.
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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby TomBrooklyn » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:58 pm

Bobbleheadrusty wrote: it takes a special level of heartlessness to write a letter to a family demanding money within weeks of the death.
I said a tasteful, tactful letter expressing remorse, and including an explanation of how the league wanted to make some memorial gesture and donate some money. Is that how you define "heartless?" I also said "request", not "demand."

However, if you want to put this straightforwardly and make it perfectly clear, 1. That money does not belong to the family. They have no right to keep it. 2. There are something like 30-40 people who have been affected with a potential loss of funds that deserve to get it back.

It would take a special kind of person to pursue this and recover the money. That kind of special would be a caring, compassionate, strong and fair leader. A person who knows how to step up and make things right that ought to be righted. Someone who cares enough about people to fix a problem that affects others besides himself. The next question would be: do any of those leagues have a person with the strength and nobility of character to do this.
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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby Script-Ohio » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:43 pm

If you had let the commish borrow your Corvette and it were parked in his garage, would you have a problem asking the family for the keys? Of course not and this is no different.
Although I do think it would be entirely appropriate to offer a portion of the money towards the funeral arrangements, flowers, or other expenses. I mean if it's a $6000 pot for example, offer $1000 of it to the family. That would make the letter far from greedy and inconsiderate and the gesture would certainly be appreciated.
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Re: How do you handle this? Lead Commish Dies

Postby TomBrooklyn » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:13 pm

Bobbleheadrusty wrote: but dont write them asking for the money right now.
These kinds of things are best handled promptly. If a delay is involved, the first thing the family may think is "why didn't they notify us promptly? Is this a scam?" or whatever.
Bobbleheadrusty wrote: This is different then [TomBrooklyn's] imaginary scenario as well. This isnt a billion dollar business with 1000s of employees that needs to keep running, this is a game, a gambling venture.
Probably the players involved aren't billionaiers either. The loss of $6000 to these leagues might compare to the loss of $600,000. to the NFL owner millionaires/billionaires. Do you think they would write off $600,000. or $6M because someone died? I don't think thats how they got to be millionaires. Not asking for the money is being a chump. Unless these owners are wealthy enough they want to write it off. Then it's their decision. But that should be up to each individual. It's not for us or the family of the deceased to decide they should forgo their hard earned $.

Bobbleheadrusty wrote: this is a game, a gambling venture. These arent paychecks being sent out, this is money you have already budgeted to lose that you arent guaranteed to get back anyway.
There is such a thing as a professional gambler. They know they don't win every time, but they have an expectation of a certain percentage of profit. And even for those for whom this is a game, that doesn't entitle someone else to knowingly or unknowingly abscond with their funds.

This is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with contacting the family. They probably aren't even aware the deceased is holding the money. And if they are decent, honest people, they do not want to keep money that belongs to someone else.
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