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Postby moochman » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:09 am

While sounding like he is defending Marinelli, Killer Kawalski appears to be leaking out his concerns over Marinelli's lack of coaching skill. This from Mlive-http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/09/marinelli_must_take_responsibi.html
Marinelli must take responsibility as Lions coach
by Tom Kowalski | Analysis
Wednesday September 10, 2008, 12:15 AM

ALLEN PARK -- When you break down the Detroit Lions' disastrous start to the regular season -- getting pasted by the Atlanta Falcons 34-21-- there are two separate issues: One is the onfield stuff and the other is a sideline problem.

As for the performance of the players, there's very little coach Rod Marinelli can do. His roster simply doesn't have enough talent in the front seven on defense. Being a good coach, he'll refuse to accept that premise, of course, and vow to work harder than ever to correct the problems.

The brutal reality is that it's not going to help much, but you've got to admire his determination.


I think Killer is letting NimRod off light here as the structure of them leam is largely based on his direction. He kept 11 D linemen, most of who were his choices to draft or acquire, and dressed 7? who all sucked. That's on NimRod, so I don't buy that there isn't much he could do about the talent.

On the other hand, Marinelli doesn't seem nearly as motivated in solving the sideline issues.

Let's be clear. The Lions didn't get whipped by the Falcons because of anything the coaches did or didn't do on the sideline. Marinelli still is the right guy for the job and he's taken the correct overall approach with this team, but some disturbing signs are developing that Marinelli must correct immediately.


Killer trying to not lose his job by saying Coach NimRod is the right man for the job. But Killer, isn't the job to win?

There was a disconnect of some sort going on with the coaching staff, from substitution problems to wasted timeouts to quarterback Jon Kitna barking at the staff, receivers coach Shawn Jefferson in particular.

The first indication of trouble came on the second play of the game when the Lions flubbed a substitution and only had 10 men on the field.


Classic Lions. Why is it so hard to be prepared to play a game? It's one thing to melt down as the game progresses, but to look disorganized on the second play of the new season? Same as it ever was.

Marinelli has to understand that he's the head coach and not a defensive line specialist, or even a quasi defensive coordinator.

Marinelli spends almost all of his time at practice with the defense, particularly the linemen. This is understandable in one sense because that's one of the biggest problems and that's Marinelli's area of expertise. But that's not what he was hired to do. He was hired to coach all 53 players, not 11 of them, and he needs to widen his focus.


Preaching to the choir, Killer. But why not go a step further and evaluate the job he has done with this D, particularly the D-line? Killer goes onto to say that Kitna doesn't respect the new OCs and that may be NimRods fault for isolating himself with the D so much.

There is a growing problem of divided camps -- the offense and the defense. That's natural when it comes to a football team, so extra effort has to be made to keep the club unified. But Marinelli, even in a subtle way, doesn't help that with his constant focus on the defense. Marinelli needs to show his players that he's just as involved on both sides of the ball.

Kitna's beef with the coaches on the sideline is alarming because, at the root of it, there's a lack of respect there. Kitna admitted he was wrong but that doesn't explain why it happened in the first place. The Lions can doll it up all they want and dismiss it as Kitna's fire and competitiveness, but it's not a coincidence that he never did it with former coordinator Mike Martz, but boiled over in the first game with the new staff....Marinelli can convince himself that the biggest problem is a lack of tackling on the field, but the truth is this: He has to get better at tackling his team's sideline issues.


This is a very negative article about Coach NimRod apparently lacking control of his team. Totally flies in the face of all the rhetoric we here from Marinelli. It's one thing to talk about football character, but when your team captain is screaming at your OC staff while you sit quietly by without moving to stop it, oh BTW during the second half of your first game, then I would say that you have a lot of football characters.
Now how about a little football cohesiveness? How can a guy who preaches the simplest of plans-work hard, good technique, pound the rock game plan-have a team that is so frazzled? I think Killer is right, Marinelli has lost control of the room. Not only that, I'll go further, I think that because he has his nose stuck so firmly in the D-line's business that he doesn't even see that there is a problem. He just keeps sticking his head back into the defensive sand while Kitna openly fights with his hand chosen OC.
Fire 'em all.

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Re: Killer on coach NimRod

Postby dream_017 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:35 pm

YIKES 8-o

First of all, I believe there were some blow-ups with Martz. Not exactly like this one, but last year Roy and Kitna came off the field at different times just walking slow and staring directly at Martz. The problem with Martz was that he was always at the hotdog stand during games, he was never close to any of the players or other coaches. He was always off at the opposite end of the field, so it is tough to have a player get in a shouting match with a coach that is nowhere near the players.

Now, should this have happened, of course not, but I do like the players starting to show that they are fed up with the losing. Players don't have as much freedom as fans think. Why do think there are headsets, every single play is called in. Maybe it is the play and not the players. How can you explain the Lions 3rd and long draw plays or the 5 yard pass on 3rd and 8. Is that the players or the coaches?

I am having my doubts about NimRod...hell, I even came up with the name...but I would hate to see another coach come and go with nothing being accomplished. I would rather (yes, I know this is not the way sports work) have the FO blown up and they build around Marinelli. Get the coaches and players he wants. I'm not truely sold on him having everyone he wants. Do I think he knows how he wants, that's another thread O:-)

I haven't heard much of Killers segments on WDFN this year, but from previous years, he will actually be critical for the Lions/coaches and FO.

For this week, it has to be one of the worse match-ups that the Lions could have, a team that travels well, and in the past filled 1/4 to 1/2 your stadium. If they come out as prepared (were they even prepared :-? ) as the ATL game, it could get ugly and fast :-o Pray for me guys !+)
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Re: Killer on coach NimRod

Postby moochman » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:21 am

Actually Kitna loved Martz. I can remember many times reading quotes of him singing his praises.
Now, should this have happened, of course not, but I do like the players starting to show that they are fed up with the losing

Dream, you do realize that this was in the second quarter of the first game of the season, and after going 4-0 during the exhibition season. And coming off their best season during the Matt Millen error. Now way should this team be blowing up because of the losing. I think Kitna is mad as heck that the OCs are slow at getting unimaginative plays called. Part of Kitna's praise of Martz was that he was always a step ahead of the D. So his plays were sent in much sooner becuase he already knew what he wanted to do. Colletto was never known for gameday play calling as an OC.
If you go to MLive they have link up Killer's Monday Lions insider bit with the Stoney and Wojo show, in addition to his daily articles.

I agree that this weeks game could be a total disaster. However, you know that means that it won't be as bad. The Packers will probable win by a bunch, but watch for the Lions to go score for score initially before getting worn down.
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Re: Killer on coach NimRod

Postby dream_017 » Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:54 pm

moochman wrote:Actually Kitna loved Martz. I can remember many times reading quotes of him singing his praises.
Now, should this have happened, of course not, but I do like the players starting to show that they are fed up with the losing

Dream, you do realize that this was in the second quarter of the first game of the season, and after going 4-0 during the exhibition season. And coming off their best season during the Matt Millen error. Now way should this team be blowing up because of the losing. I think Kitna is mad as heck that the OCs are slow at getting unimaginative plays called. Part of Kitna's praise of Martz was that he was always a step ahead of the D. So his plays were sent in much sooner becuase he already knew what he wanted to do. Colletto was never known for gameday play calling as an OC.
If you go to MLive they have link up Killer's Monday Lions insider bit with the Stoney and Wojo show, in addition to his daily articles.

I agree that this weeks game could be a total disaster. However, you know that means that it won't be as bad. The Packers will probable win by a bunch, but watch for the Lions to go score for score initially before getting worn down.

I hear ya. I'm not putting as much stock into that 4-0 playoff run. Sure it was nice to see them win games, but like someone on the boards mentioned after the Giants game, Detroit does know it was pre-season, why so many blitz.

The play calling has been predictible for years. Martz may have been a play ahead, but he was too stubborn to make changes. Don't you remember the game after everyone wanted him to establish a run....all he did was run. And the game after everyone wanted him to open up the passing....they had a handful of runs. It is also know that he has the first 15 or so plays scripted...he does not adjust off that until it is too late. Kitna had to sing his praises or he would have been left in the cold like Tatum Bell. A pass happy coach and a QB always get along ;-7

As for last season, a lot of the wins were smoke and mirrors and they finished 1-7....one and seven 8-o . They were in the last playoff spot until week 13 or so. We have had too many guys come in a take the money and leave, I want to see some arguing, some finger pointing. I want to see that they are fed up, even if it is the second quarter...of game 1. I don't want them to wait until it's too late and they have no chance to make any move.
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Re: Killer on coach NimRod

Postby moochman » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:23 pm

Dream it is too late for this team. Poor coaching meets poor player procurment. The result is anonther 10-loss season.
As far as Martz was concerned I am beginning to wonder if he weren't just fed up with all the meddling and the terrible blocking. He was arrogant enough to think he could pass on every down. Now we talk about running the ball more and then only run, what 20 times? That's hardly alot, in fact it's probably close to what Martz did most games. As for Kitna being afraid not to sign his praises, what do you feel is better: A QB who has respect for the OC, or one who openly gets into heated arguements during the game?
The only reason I like this O structure more is becuase the passing game relies more on out best talent. Martz didn't care who got the ball, but now Roy and Franchise will see plenty of passes.
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Re: Killer on coach NimRod

Postby dream_017 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:11 pm

moochman wrote:The only reason I like this O structure more is becuase the passing game relies more on out best talent. Martz didn't care who got the ball, but now Roy and Franchise will see plenty of passes.

Can't argue with that ;-D
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Re: Killer on coach NimRod

Postby latsprewell20002000 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:11 pm

Okay, this post just made me think of this. OC scripting out like the first 20 plays or whatever. I heard Pitt scripts out like the first 30 or something crazy. Okay thats fine and dandy, you know what youre going to run and whatever. But does this mean that on the first drive when you get a penalty on the first play and you are 1st and 20 you run the same play on first down? And when youre 3rd and 14 you run the third play on your play list? And that would be the same play that you would run if you picked up the first down on second down? I dont really understand how this works unless there is some variety to it or im just totally missing something.... Sorry to go off topic, i know.
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Re: Killer on coach NimRod

Postby moochman » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:50 am

latsprewell20002000 wrote:Okay, this post just made me think of this. OC scripting out like the first 20 plays or whatever. I heard Pitt scripts out like the first 30 or something crazy. Okay thats fine and dandy, you know what youre going to run and whatever. But does this mean that on the first drive when you get a penalty on the first play and you are 1st and 20 you run the same play on first down? And when youre 3rd and 14 you run the third play on your play list? And that would be the same play that you would run if you picked up the first down on second down? I dont really understand how this works unless there is some variety to it or im just totally missing something.... Sorry to go off topic, i know.


Scripting of plays means nothing to the Lions becuase Kitna has audilble rights and he doesn't respect the current OCs.
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