deerayfan072 wrote:What gives him a leg up on Daniel in the end IMO, is that he does not have a Maclin to throw to
If Maclin's that good then maybe you should vote for him
edit: Here is, in all seriousness, why I think Maclin deserves it over Daniel.
Last game Maclin had 172 receiving yards and 3 TDs. Subtract what Maclin did from what Daniel did and Chase Daniel had 233 yards and 1 TD.
Against South Mizzou St., Daniel would have had about 200 yards and 2 TDs. Still good, but not Heisman good.
Against Illinois Maclin got hurt, so it's hard to say what he would have done.
Now I'm not saying these would have been Daniel's stats exactly without Maclin, because of course someone else would have been there and done at least a little bit, but my point is that Maclin is such a big part of their receiving and if you take him out, I think that Daniel is just another good college QB. Also, when Maclin is on the field, he is getting doubled, which leaves other receivers, who are also pretty good, in single coverage situations. Maclin makes the game way easier for the entire team and defenses are scared of him.
I could make the same argument that without Daniel Maclin wouldn't have the stats he does. In fact that makes more sense, how is he gonna get all those yards and TD's without Daniel throwing the ball? No Daniel is the Heisman hopeful on that team.
Unless Maclin does something other than play WR to gain some attention and more numbers like returning kicks or punts there's no way he earns the Heisman nod for Mizzou.
You could make that argument, and it would be a pretty good one. IMO, Maclin is making Daniel look good rather than the other way around, but short of one of the two getting injured we really won't ever know. And as for him needing to do something other than just play WR, Larry Fitzgerald almost won the Heisman just as a WR and if someone can come that close, it's possible to win it.
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote: If Maclin's that good then maybe you should vote for him
edit: Here is, in all seriousness, why I think Maclin deserves it over Daniel.
Last game Maclin had 172 receiving yards and 3 TDs. Subtract what Maclin did from what Daniel did and Chase Daniel had 233 yards and 1 TD.
Against South Mizzou St., Daniel would have had about 200 yards and 2 TDs. Still good, but not Heisman good.
Against Illinois Maclin got hurt, so it's hard to say what he would have done.
Now I'm not saying these would have been Daniel's stats exactly without Maclin, because of course someone else would have been there and done at least a little bit, but my point is that Maclin is such a big part of their receiving and if you take him out, I think that Daniel is just another good college QB. Also, when Maclin is on the field, he is getting doubled, which leaves other receivers, who are also pretty good, in single coverage situations. Maclin makes the game way easier for the entire team and defenses are scared of him.
I could make the same argument that without Daniel Maclin wouldn't have the stats he does. In fact that makes more sense, how is he gonna get all those yards and TD's without Daniel throwing the ball? No Daniel is the Heisman hopeful on that team.
Unless Maclin does something other than play WR to gain some attention and more numbers like returning kicks or punts there's no way he earns the Heisman nod for Mizzou.
You could make that argument, and it would be a pretty good one. IMO, Maclin is making Daniel look good rather than the other way around, but short of one of the two getting injured we really won't ever know. And as for him needing to do something other than just play WR, Larry Fitzgerald almost won the Heisman just as a WR and if someone can come that close, it's possible to win it.
Horseshoes and hand grenades man. And what position won the Heisman that year? The QB position. Besides for every 200 yard 2 TD game Maclin has Daniel has the same plus some. Not only that the voters will always go with the guy that runs the team over the guy simply running the routs. I'm sure Maclin makes things easy for Daniel, nearly every Heisman winning QB has had good help around them. If Daniel goes down and his backup steps in and can continues to get Maclin insane numbers then maybe he'll get invited to New York. But as long as Daniel stays healthy and keeps doing what he's doing he'll be the invite from Missouri.
Removing a WR's numbers from a QB's totals is a bizarre argument. I kind of see where you're heading, but that's not at all an argument I'd be comfortable putting forth.
It's way too early to be debating one player over another. Everyone is playing non-conference patsies right now - they're SUPPOSED to be putting up crazy numbers.
We're going to have a lot better idea here in the next three weeks when conference play gets into full swing. Then I'm going to begin making some noise for a few players.
I have my eye on (in no particular order) Tebow, Daniels, Bradford, Maclin, Crabtree, Wells (injury hurts, though).
Sam Bradford is crazy good. The booger eater needs to play well in Lincoln (he got beat and banged up last time here) and then I'll really be on his bandwagon. Tebow is having another impressive year. Crabtree is going to put up insane numbers all year long.
knapplc wrote:Removing a WR's numbers from a QB's totals is a bizarre argument. I kind of see where you're heading, but that's not at all an argument I'd be comfortable putting forth.
It's way too early to be debating one player over another. Everyone is playing non-conference patsies right now - they're SUPPOSED to be putting up crazy numbers.
We're going to have a lot better idea here in the next three weeks when conference play gets into full swing. Then I'm going to begin making some noise for a few players.
I have my eye on (in no particular order) Tebow, Daniels, Bradford, Maclin, Crabtree, Wells (injury hurts, though).
Sam Bradford is crazy good. The booger eater needs to play well in Lincoln (he got beat and banged up last time here) and then I'll really be on his bandwagon. Tebow is having another impressive year. Crabtree is going to put up insane numbers all year long.
It's going to be a fun race.
Its funny that you say that because I actually think he is having a better year than he did last season. The numbers don't look as good, but I can tell you HE looks better to me. I think he is making reads better, his passes look to be more on target, and he is looking to run less. The numbers don't look that impressive, but I have been pleased with his progression as a QB. He has not thrown an INT in like 120 something attempts dating back to last season.
Metroid wrote:BYU's Max Hall 91/117 1095 yards 12 TD's and 2 INT's through 3 games at this point should at least be mentioned.
I don't care who they've played those numbers are great.
Eh. Who they've played has something to do with it. Players put up crazy numbers against the Scout Team all the time.
knapplc wrote:Everyone is playing non-conference patsies right now - they're SUPPOSED to be putting up crazy numbers.
So if everyone is playing patsies then Max Hall should be mentioned with everyone at this point, thats all I'm saying. If we're going to be talking about Heisman hopefuls right now he has to be mentioned. Will he be there in 6 weeks? Doubtful but I thought this was a thread to follow players not guess who'll win it....I might be mistaken. I'd rather talk about how players are measuring up from week to week than make a blind guess for the winner and watch the thread die.
The only problem with that is that, with these crazy weak schedules that teams are playing, these players are going to put up crazy big numbers. The thread's not going to die if we limit it to a few players.
Here's what I'm talking about. Here are the leaders in stats through this week.
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