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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby wickerkat » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:36 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
wickerkat wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:The combine in starting, which means time for players to start being overinflated because they run fast or lift a lot.


So you don't value the combine much?



IMO, the combine has become a test that Agents have figured out how have their clients pass. They have these guys all train for the certain drills and they do well at them. Add to it that it seems people become so crazy because a guy runs fast or benches a certain number and you have guys that get drafted way higher than they should be. People forget what a player has done in an actual game during game conditions and focus on some guys time they ran a certain distance. I think the combine helps for guys that were unknown because of the school they played at, think DRQ, but it is given too much value overall/


I'm curious to see the 40s. Just to see who is the fastest. Must just be a big pissing contest.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby The Lung » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:01 pm

The Combine is just one part of the entire evaluation process and is both overvalued and undervalued at the same time. In reality, the interviews and the physicals are probably the most important part of the Combine. The interviews give teams a chance to delve deeper into players suspected of "character issues." The physicals help teams identify whether players have truly recovered from past injuries, or have hidden injuries / genetic issues which could pop up.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:16 pm

The Lung wrote:The Combine is just one part of the entire evaluation process and is both overvalued and undervalued at the same time. In reality, the interviews and the physicals are probably the most important part of the Combine. The interviews give teams a chance to delve deeper into players suspected of "character issues." The physicals help teams identify whether players have truly recovered from past injuries, or have hidden injuries / genetic issues which could pop up.

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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby deerayfan072 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:52 am

Here is quote from one scout:
I try to put most of my weight on what guys do in the fall. The tape doesn't lie. You have the Mike Mamulas and Vernon Gholstons, guys with big biceps who run great, then can't play. The one thing workouts like the combine are good for is you get a view of how athletic they are and how fast they are on a clock. And, hopefully, it matches what you see on tape. If it doesn't, then it causes you to go back and look at tape again.



This is how I feel. I agree with Lung as well, especially about the interview. You can find A LOT out about a player by his interview.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby stomperrob » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:04 pm

So where are the kids at the combine coming from??? Well of course the SEC is at the top of the list, but hey, the Big 10 is right up there at #2!!!

Bragging Rights (the conferences)
Yes, this is going to be another infomercial for the SEC. In yet another example of their dominance in the FBS, the league will have 10 more alums in Indy than its nearest competition, the Big Ten. Predictably, the Big East came in last place among the BCS conference, though it should be noted that it also has the fewest members. The top non-BCS conference? Well, it isn’t the Mountain West, which was third behind the WAC and Conference USA.

The smallest school to be represented will be Division III Hartwick, which is sending QB Jason Boltus to the event.

SEC … 55
Big Ten … 45
Pac-10 … 43
ACC … 42
Big 12 … 41
Big East … 25
FCS … 19
WAC … 16
C-USA … 15
MWC … 12
MAC … 7
Division II … 7
Sun Belt … 2
Independents … 2


And which schools are tops? Good ol' football factory USC is right there at the top! And heh, the Wolverines have as many players there as the Gators (4) - gotta love that!

Bragging Rights (the programs)
If you’re looking for tangible proof that USC has more talent than any school in the country, tune in to the NFL Network. A dozen Trojans will be on display, two more than any other program. LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio State, and Penn State followed Troy, a testament to their outstanding recruiting year after year.

Clemson and Maryland led the ACC, yet Virginia Tech, with only Victor Harris and Orion Martin in Indianapolis, won the league championship. Miami has just a single representative, Bruce Johnson, further evidence of how far it’s fallen. Ditto UCLA with Kahlil Bell and Notre Dame with David Bruton, who might feel a little lonely at the hotel. In fact, Division II Abilene Christian is sending more players to the Combine than the ‘Canes, Bruins, or Irish.

The top non-BCS school isn’t Utah, BYU, TCU, or Boise State. Care to guess? How about San Jose State, which has four players, Jarron Gilbert, Christopher Owens, Coye Francies, and David Richmond, looking to impress the scouts.

Florida must need a fleet of air buses to transport the Gators to the RCA Dome, right? Think again. Just four members of the defending champs are participating. In other words, most of last year’s 13-1 squad is still in Gainesville. Uh-oh.

USC … 12
LSU …10
Oklahoma … 8
Georgia … 8
Ohio State … 8
Penn State … 8
Wisconsin … 7
Oregon … 7
Ole Miss … 6
South Carolina … 6
Tennessee … 6
Cal … 6
Clemson … 6
Maryland … 6
Missouri … 6
Nebraska … 6
Texas … 6
Cincinnati … 6


Complete article: http://cfn.scout.com/2/840482.html
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby The Lung » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:19 pm

From: http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80eda910&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

INDIANAPOLIS -- Medical testing at the scouting combine here revealed that Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree, one of the top prospects in this year's NFL draft, has a slight stress fracture in his left foot that will require surgery to insert a screw, league sources said Saturday morning.

The injury and surgery is expected to sideline Crabtree for at least 10 weeks, jeopardizing his NFL pro day, which now is expected to be cancelled, and raising questions about when he will be healthy again. Doctors believe that with the precautions the All-American wide receiver is willing to take, Crabtree will be sufficiently recovered in time for training camp this summer.

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This is exactly why the medical evaluations and interviews are looked at, and weighed HEAVILY more than measurements, 40 times, etc.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby stomperrob » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:33 pm

Some who shone at the combine:

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingn ... Wa&folio=1

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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby wickerkat » Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:00 pm

Good stuff, thanks.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby The Lung » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:49 pm

From: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aix4WQdDfD7RcgwLUgYINY7hMMQF?slug=cr-staffordproday031909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Stafford solid during pro day
...But Stafford didn’t waste any time showing off his arm on the big stage, starting his workout with a blistering set of out-routes and then moving quickly through the entire route tree. Like the workout of former LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell two years ago, it was heavily predicated on flaunting Stafford’s considerable zip, which one executive termed “as good or better than probably 27 or 28 quarterbacks starting [in the NFL] right now.”

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