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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby stomperrob » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:54 pm

After tweaking his knee at the Combine, Jeremy Maclin looked sharp at his Pro Day:

WR Jeremy Maclin does full workout at Missouri Pro Day
Published by Tim Collette on March 19, 2009

Predicted to be a top-10 pick in most mock drafts, Missouri WR Jeremy Maclin did all the drills at Missouri’s pro day. Maclin (6-0¼, 197 pounds) ran a 4.43 and 4.47 in the 40, had a 10-foot broad jump, a 35½-inch vertical jump, a 4.25 short shuttle and a 7.12 cone drill.

He caught passes from his college quarterback, Chase Daniel, and demonstrated great explosion coming out of his breaks. He also flashed smooth receiving skills. Bengals wide receivers coach Mike Sheppard and Jets wide receivers coach Henry Ellard were both on hand to check out Maclin and a total of 22 teams had representatives in attendance.


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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby stomperrob » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:11 pm

Possible No. 1 pick Monroe highlights Virginia Pro Day
Posted: Pro Days | NFL.com Staff
Friday, March 20 2009

Virginia OT Eugene Monroe, whom Pat Kirwan projects to be the top pick in next month’s NFL Draft, had a solid workout today in Charlottesville.

The 6-foot-5 3/8, 312-pounder kept all of his workout numbers from the combine, but he did position drills and looked very good. Cincinnati Bengals offensive line coach Paul Alexander, who has been everywhere there has been a tackle, orchestrated the position drills, and two other o-line coaches also were in attendance.

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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby deerayfan072 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:56 pm

The Lung wrote:From: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aix4WQdDfD7RcgwLUgYINY7hMMQF?slug=cr-staffordproday031909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Stafford solid during pro day
...But Stafford didn’t waste any time showing off his arm on the big stage, starting his workout with a blistering set of out-routes and then moving quickly through the entire route tree. Like the workout of former LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell two years ago, it was heavily predicated on flaunting Stafford’s considerable zip, which one executive termed “as good or better than probably 27 or 28 quarterbacks starting [in the NFL] right now.”

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you forgot to bold the part about it being similar to JaMarshmellow's workout ;-) :-b :-D

If anyone every questioned his arm they had never seen him throw. The guy has a cannon that has never been in doubt.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby The Lung » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:25 pm

Here's my take on it.

In college, QBs may neither have the time nor the high level of coaching to learn all the proper mechanics, when not to force the ball / decision making, etc. I believe with NFL level coaching, these things can be taught. Whereas a college quarterback who may possess the mental aspects in college is not going to be suddenly "taught" a stronger arm.

Of course, some quarterbacks with the big arm just lack the mental acumen and may never "get it." (e.g. Kyle Boller) Some are works in progress (J. Russell, J. Flacco) who just haven't shown that they can consistently put it all together. But I'd rather take a guy who displayed questionable decision-making in college but who possesses a huge gun to make NFL caliber throws, over a kid who did all the little things right in college but whose noodle arm won't allow him to make NFL throws.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby LS2throwed » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:37 pm

The Lung wrote: But I'd rather take a guy who displayed questionable decision-making in college but who possesses a huge gun to make NFL caliber throws, over a kid who did all the little things right in college but whose noodle arm won't allow him to make NFL throws.



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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby deerayfan072 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:38 am

There is a difference between a cannon arm and making the NFL throws. Pennington does pretty well with his alleged noodle arm as did Jeff Garcia and countless others. Arm strength does nothing unless you can read a defense and make the correct throw. Elway had a cannon, but it wasn't until he pulled back a bit and reazlied how to read a defense that he became a hall of famer.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby The Lung » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:50 am

deerayfan072 wrote:There is a difference between a cannon arm and making the NFL throws. Pennington does pretty well with his alleged noodle arm as did Jeff Garcia and countless others. Arm strength does nothing unless you can read a defense and make the correct throw. Elway had a cannon, but it wasn't until he pulled back a bit and reazlied how to read a defense that he became a hall of famer.


Agreed 100%. But you can coach reading a defense and making the correct throw a whole hell of a lot easier than have a QB grow a stronger arm. :-b
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby mattUTD20 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:14 pm

The Lung wrote:Of course, some quarterbacks with the big arm just lack the mental acumen and may never "get it." (e.g. Kyle Boller) Some are works in progress (J. Russell, J. Flacco) who just haven't shown that they can consistently put it all together. But I'd rather take a guy who displayed questionable decision-making in college but who possesses a huge gun to make NFL caliber throws, over a kid who did all the little things right in college but whose noodle arm won't allow him to make NFL throws.


Amen brother. This is why you will see a kid like Josh Freeman go in the first round. Pure potential.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby deerayfan072 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:17 pm

mattUTD20 wrote:
The Lung wrote:Of course, some quarterbacks with the big arm just lack the mental acumen and may never "get it." (e.g. Kyle Boller) Some are works in progress (J. Russell, J. Flacco) who just haven't shown that they can consistently put it all together. But I'd rather take a guy who displayed questionable decision-making in college but who possesses a huge gun to make NFL caliber throws, over a kid who did all the little things right in college but whose noodle arm won't allow him to make NFL throws.


Amen brother. This is why you will see a kid like Josh Freeman go in the first round. Pure potential.



and also why you see teams end up picking high in the draft every year because they take pure potential instead of consistency. There are more busts on guys because they are "physical freaks" or "pontential" then someone who has proven year in and year out in college that they can do it. When you a first round pick busts it sets your team back every time.
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Re: 2009 NFL Draft Prospect Talk

Postby Kareighuis » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:36 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
mattUTD20 wrote:
The Lung wrote:Of course, some quarterbacks with the big arm just lack the mental acumen and may never "get it." (e.g. Kyle Boller) Some are works in progress (J. Russell, J. Flacco) who just haven't shown that they can consistently put it all together. But I'd rather take a guy who displayed questionable decision-making in college but who possesses a huge gun to make NFL caliber throws, over a kid who did all the little things right in college but whose noodle arm won't allow him to make NFL throws.


Amen brother. This is why you will see a kid like Josh Freeman go in the first round. Pure potential.



and also why you see teams end up picking high in the draft every year because they take pure potential instead of consistency. There are more busts on guys because they are "physical freaks" or "pontential" then someone who has proven year in and year out in college that they can do it. When you a first round pick busts it sets your team back every time.


In the NFL, I'd rather have the intangible noodle (Garcia, Pennington) over the 10 cent cannon (Russell, Jeff George, Vick, Cutler). In fantasy, it's almost exactly reversed.
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