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FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby BrickWall » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:28 pm

Issue: Waht would be the basis for computing Carolina's Defense Fantasy Score:

According to Yahoo STATTRACKER scoring result for "CAROLINA DEFENSE" is as follow:

11pts Allowed (4)
1 sack (1)
2 fumble recovery (4)

Total Fantasy = 9 Pts

However, our league change my fantasy score -- against yahoo stattracker scoring system -- and is only giving me 6 pts for Carolina Defense -- stating that yahoo made a mistake since the final score was Carolina 20 - Chicago 17.

My contention -- the discrepancy was the result of a block punt return for a touchdown -- which has nothing to do with Carolina' DEFENSE (specifically) on the field -- ALLOWING points againts Chicago' Offense. I believe Yahoo is correct to base their scoring on 11 pts allowed by the DEFENSE -- not the final total score of 17 pts (Chicago) for the same reason as stated above.

Your thought please. Thanks

Our leagues scoring system below:

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League Name: fantasyfootballkeepers.com
Password: nfl2008
Custom League URL: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ... allkeepers
League Paid For: By Commissioner
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Mon Aug 25 8:00pm EDT
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Acquisitions per Week: No maximum
Max Trades: 5
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: November 7, 2008
Trade Review: League Votes
Waiver Time: 2 days
Waiver Type: Weekly rolling list based on standings
Sun - Tue Waivers: No
Post Draft Players: Free Agents
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (8 teams)
Divisions: Yes (2 divisions)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/T, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (15 yards per point; 5 points at 300 yards; 10 points at 400 yards; 15 points at 500 yards)
Passing Touchdowns (4)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Attempts (.25)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point; 5 points at 100 yards; 10 points at 200 yards; 15 points at 300 yards)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Receptions (.5)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point; 5 points at 100 yards; 10 points at 200 yards; 15 points at 300 yards)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (6)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (7)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-7)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-5)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-3)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (-1)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-3)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-4)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-7)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes


Am I right to question our commissioner's ruling on this? Your opinion is appreciated.
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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby team_awesome » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:54 am

a lot of leauges have the def position as def/speacial teams. that might explain it
QB- Roethlisberger; Campbell; Cassel
WR- White, Bowe, Coles; Gonzalez
RB- Jackson; Jacobs; White; Morris
TE- Gates
K- Keading
DEF- GB; Seattle
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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby BrickWall » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:45 pm

It might be the case, but, it does not make sense.

Anyway, thank you so much for your response.

Good luck and I hope you do well with your league.

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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby BrickWall » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:46 pm

It might be the case, but, it does not make sense.

Anyway, thank you so much for your response.

Good luck and I hope you do well with your league.

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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby FatFoot » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:53 pm

You are scored on DST, or Defense/Special Teams. By your logic, it also doesn't make sense to get points for punt or kickoff return touchdowns. If you don't like the fact that they blend Defense and Special Teams, you may need to customize your league next season. For what it's worth, Carolina's special teams line is what screwed up, allowing the Bears to block the kick. So it should be a ding on the D/ST.
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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby flotsamnjetsam » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:26 am

BrickWall wrote:Issue: Waht would be the basis for computing Carolina's Defense Fantasy Score:

According to Yahoo STATTRACKER scoring result for "CAROLINA DEFENSE" is as follow:

11pts Allowed (4)
1 sack (1)
2 fumble recovery (4)

Total Fantasy = 9 Pts

However, our league change my fantasy score -- against yahoo stattracker scoring system -- and is only giving me 6 pts for Carolina Defense -- stating that yahoo made a mistake since the final score was Carolina 20 - Chicago 17.

My contention -- the discrepancy was the result of a block punt return for a touchdown -- which has nothing to do with Carolina' DEFENSE (specifically) on the field -- ALLOWING points againts Chicago' Offense. I believe Yahoo is correct to base their scoring on 11 pts allowed by the DEFENSE -- not the final total score of 17 pts (Chicago) for the same reason as stated above.

Your thought please. Thanks

Our leagues scoring system below:

5322
League Name: fantasyfootballkeepers.com
Password: nfl2008
Custom League URL: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ... allkeepers
League Paid For: By Commissioner
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Mon Aug 25 8:00pm EDT
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Acquisitions per Week: No maximum
Max Trades: 5
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: November 7, 2008
Trade Review: League Votes
Waiver Time: 2 days
Waiver Type: Weekly rolling list based on standings
Sun - Tue Waivers: No
Post Draft Players: Free Agents
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (8 teams)
Divisions: Yes (2 divisions)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/T, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (15 yards per point; 5 points at 300 yards; 10 points at 400 yards; 15 points at 500 yards)
Passing Touchdowns (4)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Attempts (.25)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point; 5 points at 100 yards; 10 points at 200 yards; 15 points at 300 yards)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Receptions (.5)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point; 5 points at 100 yards; 10 points at 200 yards; 15 points at 300 yards)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (6)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (7)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-7)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-5)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-3)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (-1)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-3)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-4)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-7)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes


Am I right to question our commissioner's ruling on this? Your opinion is appreciated.




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The point you make is definitely valid and something that has been discussed for decades. You can have your defense pitch a shutout and not allow the offense to score 1 point. But if the offense throws 3 INT's for TD's...that's 21 "points allowed" even though the D/ST gave up 0. It kinda doesn't make sense, but that's the way it's been scored in every league I've ever been in. Bottom line is that "points allowed" is the total points the other team scored. Not how many points the D/ST actually gave up when they were on the field.

I think you are right to question the rule...but not the commish's ruling. That's the way the scoring was set before the season so any questions about the scoring should've been asked before the season started. If this is a league where you will play next year, you could bring it up again in the offseason. Although I still don't think it would help...only because I don't think that any site offers that type of scoring as an option.
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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby BrickWall » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:41 pm

That 's a very good point. I understand it much better now.

Thank you for the warm welcome.

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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby flotsamnjetsam » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:27 am

BrickWall wrote:That 's a very good point. I understand it much better now.

Thank you for the warm welcome.

Good Luck



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Re: FF Scoring Clarification: Carolina vs. Chicago

Postby Urlacher54 » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:30 pm

Hello BrickWall. I agree with what the brothers have said to you for advice.

I've been a commissioner for about 9 years now, and I run two leagues. Your rules have been implemented before you even held your draft. I see where you have a problem. In my early years we also had the same rules, but we changed it to reflect only opponents offensive points.

I've always found it's nice to tweak the scoring each year. So I would tell your commish that you would like to see the settings changed to "Opponent Offensive Points Only." Hopefully, your league has the options to change the settings.

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