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Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:14 am

Top 25

1. USC
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Missouri
5. Florida
6. LSU
7. Wisconsin
8. Texas
9. Alabama
10. Auburn
11. Texas Tech
12. South Florida
13. Penn State
14. East Carolina
15. Brigham Young
16. Oregon
17. Ohio State
18. Kansas
19. Wake
20. Utah
21. West Virginia
22. Illinois
23. Fresno State
24. Clemson
25. Florida State

Vader

1 Oklahoma
2 USC
3 Missouri
4 LSU
5 Georgia
6 Florida
7 Texas
8 Wisconsin
9 Auburn
10 Alabama
11 Texas Tech
12 South Florida
13 BYU
14 East Carolina
15 Oregon
16 Ohio State
17 Penn State
18 Wake Forest
19 Kansas
20 Utah
21 West Virginia
22 North Carolina
23 Illinois
24 Clemson
25 Fresno State
26 Vanderbilt
27 Kentucky
28 TCU
29 Oklahoma State
30 Boise State

ORS

1 USC
2 Georgia
3 Oklahoma
4 Florida
5 Missouri
6 LSU
7 Wisconsin
8 Texas
9 Alabama
10 Texas Tech
11 Auburn
12 Ohio State
13 Brigham Young
14 South Florida
15 East Carolina
16 Penn State
17 Wake Forest
18 Oregon
19 Utah
20 West Virginia
21 Kansas
22 Illinois
23 Florida State
24 Clemson
25 Fresno State
26 Vanderbilt
27 Boise State
28 Oklahoma State
29 Nebraska
30 TCU

BlueBandit24

1-USC
2-Georgia
3-Oklahoma
4-Florida
5-Missouri
6-LSU
7-Texas
8-Alabama
9-Wisconsin
10-Auburn
11-Texas Tech
12-Ohio State
13-South Florida
14-East Carolina
15-Oregon
16-Penn State
17-BYU
18-Kansas
19-Wake Forest
20-Utah
21-Illinois
22-Fresno State
23-West Virginia
24-Clemson
25-Florida State
26-Virginia Tech
27-Kentucky
28-TCU
29-Arizona State
30-North Carolina

Knapp

1 USC
2 Georgia
3 Oklahoma
4 Florida
5 Missouri
6 LSU
7 Texas
8 Auburn
9 Wisconsin
10 Texas Tech
11 Brigham Young
12 South Florida
13 Oregon
14 Penn State
15 Kansas
16 East Carolina
17 Alabama
18 Utah
19 Ohio State
20 Wake Forest
21 Illinois
22 Virginia Tech
23 West Virginia
24 Fresno State
25 Arizona State
26 Tennessee
27 Miami (Fla.)
28 Connecticut
29 Florida State
30 Clemson

Bagel

1 USC
2 Georgia
3 Oklahoma
4 Missouri
5 LSU
6 Florida
7 Wisconsin
8 Texas
9 Penn State
10 Auburn
11 Alabama
12 South Florida
13 Texas Tech
14 East Carolina
15 BYU
16 Oregon
17 Illinois
18 Kansas
19 Ohio State
20 West Virginia
21 Wake Forest
22 Utah
23 Boston College
24 FSU
25 Tennessee
26 Fresno State
27 Clemson
28 California
29 TCU
30 Kentucky

HskrPwr13

01.USC
02.Oklahoma
03.Mizzou
04.Florida
05.Georgia
06.East Carolina
07.Alabama
08.Wisconsin
09.Texas
10.Oregon
11.LSU
12.Texas Tech
13.Auburn
14.South Florida
15.Utah
16.Wake Forest
17.Brigham Young
18.Vanderbilt
19.Penn St
20.Kansas
21.Minnesota
22.TCU
23.Nebraska
24.Iowa
25.Oklahoma St
26.Air Force
27.Virginia Tech
28.Georgia Tech
29.Fresno State
30.California



Deeray

1 USC
2 Oklahoma
3 Georgia
4 Missouri
5 LSU
6 Florida
7 Wisconsin
8 Penn State
9 Texas
10 Texas Tech
11 Alabama
12 Auburn
13 Oregon
14 South Florida
15 Wake
16 ECU
17 BYU
18 Utah
19 Ohio State
20 Illinois
21 Kansas
22 West Virginia
23 Fresno State
24 Vanderbilt
25 Nebraska
26 Clemson
27 North Carolina
28 Tennessee
29 VT
30 TCU

AFF

1. USC
2. Georgia
3. Oklahoma
4. Missouri
5. Florida
6. Wisconsin
7. LSU
8. Texas
9. Penn St.
10. Auburn
11. Alabama
12. South Florida
13. East Carolina
14. Texas Tech
15. BYU
16. Ohio St.
17. Oregon
18. West Virginia
19. Kansas
20. Nebraska
21. Utah
22. Wake Forest
23. Vanderbilt
24. UNC
25. Clemson
26. Fresno St.
27. Virginia Tech
28. Florida St.
29. Arkansas
30. Connecticut

Jay

USC
Oklahoma
Georgia
Missouri
Florida
Wisconsin
LSU
Penn State
South Florida
Texas
Texas Tech
Alabama
Ohio State
Brigham Young
East Carolina
Kansas
Florida State
Auburn
Oregon
Wake Forest
Fresno State
West Virginia
Illinois
Clemson
Utah
Oklahoma State
Vanderbilt
Michigan State
Nebraska
Notre Dame



Mugrila

USC
Georgia
Oklahoma
Florida
Missouri
Wisconsin
Auburn
LSU
Texas
Texas Tech
Alabama
BYU
ECU
Oregon
Penn State
USF
Illinois
Kansas
Wake Forest
West Virginia
Utah
Fresno State
Boise State
Clemson
Arizona State
Kansas State
Virginia Tech
Uconn
Florida State
Olkahoma St
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:18 am

Question I had is why Jay has FSU so high?

They have between to DII schools thus far. What have they done to deserve moving into the top 25?
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby knapplc » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:34 am

What's with all the Nebraska love?

I've watched all three of Nebraska's games, the last one live and in person. There is reason for optimism, yes - but top 25? I'm not so sure about that yet. There's a lot of things they're not doing well right now.

If NU beats Virginia Tech in two weeks then I'm all over them. Until then... this is MAJOR speculation. :-b
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:40 am

knapplc wrote:What's with all the Nebraska love?

I've watched all three of Nebraska's games, the last one live and in person. There is reason for optimism, yes - but top 25? I'm not so sure about that yet. There's a lot of things they're not doing well right now.

If NU beats Virginia Tech in two weeks then I'm all over them. Until then... this is MAJOR speculation. :-b


Thing is, you guys have a very solid offense with Lucky and Gantz. They put up great numbers last year, but they couldn't stop anyone. I don't think the defense is fully back, but they are on there way. When you can score and make a decent number of stops in a game you will be in every game with a chance to win it. I haven't seen all of each game like you, so I could be wrong, but what I saw was what I said above and that made me put them where I did. ;-D

Also, they have beaten 3 opponents all better than FSU's 2 wins, yet FSU is in the top 25. :-S
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby ShoelessJoe » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:00 am

Why does everybody have Kansas ahead of Ohio State?

Kansas beat two scrubs, then lost to South Florida. Ohio State beat two scrubs, then lost to USC. Granted, USC but a bigger whipping on Ohio State but USC is #1 team in the majority of people's polls while USF averages 12th.
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby Mugrila » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:02 am

I don't get the FSU love either.
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby HskrPwr13 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:03 am

knapplc wrote:What's with all the Nebraska love?

I've watched all three of Nebraska's games, the last one live and in person. There is reason for optimism, yes - but top 25? I'm not so sure about that yet. There's a lot of things they're not doing well right now.

If NU beats Virginia Tech in two weeks then I'm all over them. Until then... this is MAJOR speculation. :-b


As I said last week, and deeray mentioned it, its that they grade out. To help eliminate bias you cant go fully by the "eye test". I agree that they havent looked like world beaters, but outside the top10-15, who has? You really believe that at this point in the young season that these teams have EARNED the ranking that you're givinig them: Ohio St, Illinois, Fresno St, Florida St, Arizona St, Clemson? I can agree that most if not all of these teams may seem either more talented or better gelled, but PLEASE, lets actually take the results into question, when ranking. Yes, Frensno played a nice game that they shouldve won, but at the end of the day, this is a 1-1 football team. Probably the best 1-1 team out there, but they have a loss at home, and a road win that looked great at the time, but now North Carolina went in there and punked them worse than Fresno did. Ohio St? Really? They've "looked" like on the best 25 teams so far? I think you need to go in for an eye exam, knapp. :-b
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby knapplc » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:08 am

ShoelessJoe wrote:Why does everybody have Kansas ahead of Ohio State?

Kansas beat two scrubs, then lost to South Florida. Ohio State beat two scrubs, then lost to USC. Granted, USC but a bigger whipping on Ohio State but USC is #1 team in the majority of people's polls while USF averages 12th.

Kansas is better than OSU, easy. KU lost, barely, to a very good South Florida team, at their house, at night. It was a last-second field goal that beat them, and then only after KU had one bad quarter (the third) where they were just... flat.

OSU, as everyone saw, had absolutely no business on the same field as USC. It wasn't even close. Had OSU even put up a fight in that game I'd consider putting the two closer, but as of today, I would be pretty certain that KU would beat OSU on OSU's field. In fact, I'm pretty certain of it.

To be honest, I'm a bit surprised you even ask the question. It makes me wonder how much you've seen of the four teams.
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby knapplc » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:12 am

HskrPwr13 wrote:As I said last week, and deeray mentioned it, its that they grade out. To help eliminate bias you cant go fully by the "eye test". I agree that they havent looked like world beaters, but outside the top10-15, who has? You really believe that at this point in the young season that these teams have EARNED the ranking that you're givinig them: Ohio St, Illinois, Fresno St, Florida St, Arizona St, Clemson? I can agree that most if not all of these teams may seem either more talented or better gelled, but PLEASE, lets actually take the results into question, when ranking. Yes, Frensno played a nice game that they shouldve won, but at the end of the day, this is a 1-1 football team. Probably the best 1-1 team out there, but they have a loss at home, and a road win that looked great at the time, but now North Carolina went in there and punked them worse than Fresno did. Ohio St? Really? They've "looked" like on the best 25 teams so far? I think you need to go in for an eye exam, knapp. :-b

You may think they grade out, but I don't. Like I said, having watched all of Nebraska's games, they have big questions to answer that, frankly, they haven't answered yet. Further, they keep losing D-linemen and they're down to a redshirt freshman on one rush end.

Do I KNOW that all of the teams I've ranked have EARNED their ranking? Of course not. But I know what top-25 football looks like, and right now, Nebraska doesn't look like a top-25 team. Believe me, I want them to be up there just as much as anyone. But they're not.

I will say this. Having watched their games I will guarantee you that Bo is keeping stuff back for VT, Missouri and Oklahoma. They are not showing the full playbook on either side of the ball, and that's limited Nebraska's output. But there are enough mental mistakes being made that should NOT be happening, especially on offense where the team has the most consistency from last year to this, that makes me concerned about the future.
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Re: Week 4 Cafe Rankings and Discussion

Postby ShoelessJoe » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:41 am

knapplc wrote:
ShoelessJoe wrote:Why does everybody have Kansas ahead of Ohio State?

Kansas beat two scrubs, then lost to South Florida. Ohio State beat two scrubs, then lost to USC. Granted, USC but a bigger whipping on Ohio State but USC is #1 team in the majority of people's polls while USF averages 12th.

Kansas is better than OSU, easy. KU lost, barely, to a very good South Florida team, at their house, at night. It was a last-second field goal that beat them, and then only after KU had one bad quarter (the third) where they were just... flat.

OSU, as everyone saw, had absolutely no business on the same field as USC. It wasn't even close. Had OSU even put up a fight in that game I'd consider putting the two closer, but as of today, I would be pretty certain that KU would beat OSU on OSU's field. In fact, I'm pretty certain of it.

To be honest, I'm a bit surprised you even ask the question. It makes me wonder how much you've seen of the four teams.


I watched the entire Kansas/USF game and the entire USC/OSU game.

You said that OSU had no business on the same field as USC. Would Kansas have any business on the same field as USC? Do you think Kansas would be more competitive with USC?
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