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Postby FilmMan » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:41 pm

Like to get a consensus on the following:

We had a trade in our league whereby two 2 teams traded players to fill holes for their bye week....with the contingent that the trade would be 'reversed' next week. In your opinion is this collusion or sound strategy?
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Postby grover99 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:57 pm

Collusion. The first trade is fine, but the second trade can't be allowed.
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Postby shawngee03 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:06 pm

yes collusion./ in all of my leagues we have a rule that once traded, a player cannot be traded back to the original owner until it is on the new team for 3 weeks
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Postby JasonSeahorn » Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:47 pm

You can't rent players.
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Postby Motown Blues » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:40 pm

Funny. In all the years playing FF, I have never experienced this. :-B Part of me wants to applaud them on their creativity, especially since it is has been *presumably* done within the parameters of the league settings. I mean, they're not cheating if you never made a point of outlawing it. I have a hard time calling it "collusion" then, as their agreement is not technically been done to accomplish something "illegal." I would have to say that you allow it (begrudgingly - let them know how you feel), and then make it a precedent-setting event. Next year, no way.
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Postby FilmMan » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:52 pm

My gut was to agree with you Motown - as a) it is not stipulated in the rules that you cannot do it and b) I don't really think of it as collusion - 1 team trying to specifically help another. In this case the two teams were trying as much to help themselves as anything else. I would consider it collusion if 1 team was trying to help another stack their team against the league powerhouse for instance, but not getting any benefit from it for their own team.

As it stands, I think there's been enough of an outcry that the owners are going to swap back before the weekend. But again - I do not personally think there's anything wrong with it. The object is to for each team to win every week is it not? This just falls into the category of 2 teams trying to do anything to improve their teams' chances in a given week.
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Postby bungle613 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:22 pm

It is collusion. It is 2 owners agreeing to help each other win games against other owners within the league.


Can't allow it. Ask them how they would feel if near the end of the season a rival team rented out it's top players each week to their opponents???
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Re: Rental players? Collusion? Please help!!

Postby FilmMan » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:50 pm

bungle613 wrote: Ask them how they would feel if near the end of the season a rival team rented out it's top players each week to their opponents???


See, I guess I think of that differently. Different motives. If I was renting out my players to help another team try to defeat someone else - I think of that as collusion. But in this instance, the 2 owners are simply employing a strategy to try and win their own games.

Like I said - there has been enough of an outcry that the trade will be nullified by the 2 teams, but I think it could have stood on the basis that there was mutual benefit. Like any trade really...
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Postby Script-Ohio » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:25 am

It's collusion, gotta veto that.
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Postby spodog » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:17 am

Script-Ohio wrote:It's collusion, gotta veto that.


Agreed. Here is a rare case where a Commish veto is appropriate.
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