Predicting AP's biggest game

[2ksports]

I think the Saints showed how to stop the Vikings. The Vikings offense was just horrendous on Monday Night and had no business of winning that game.

Detroit however is not the Saints. They are without a good leader and without a GM. They are team in turmoil and they will get stomped on.

However, without a RUNNING threat at the QB position like Tavaris Jackson, the Vikes will have trouble moving the ball on the ground. With Jackson at QB, one defender on each side of the ball will always be watching for the bootleg (more discipline), leaving it open for Peterson to go up the middle. With Gus Ferrotte, those 2 defenders are now both keyed in on Peterson as Ferrote is not a bootleg threat. In passing situations, those 2 players would likely just go on a blitz and open up gaps in the middle for a LB or lineman to stunt and crush Ferrotte. The QB change has hurt the Minny offense.

[treat24]

They didn't earn that win. The Saints gift-wrapped it for them.

I think the Saints showed how to stop the Vikings. The Vikings offense was just horrendous on Monday Night and had no business of winning that game.

Detroit however is not the Saints. They are without a good leader and without a GM. They are team in turmoil and they will get stomped on.

However, without a RUNNING threat at the QB position like Tavaris Jackson, the Vikes will have trouble moving the ball on the ground. With Jackson at QB, one defender on each side of the ball will always be watching for the bootleg (more discipline), leaving it open for Peterson to go up the middle. With Gus Ferrotte, those 2 defenders are now both keyed in on Peterson as Ferrote is not a bootleg threat. In passing situations, those 2 players would likely just go on a blitz and open up gaps in the middle for a LB or lineman to stunt and crush Ferrotte. The QB change has hurt the Minny offense.

They even showed on NFL Live that not only did the Saints have 8 in the box for nearly every snap, but occasionally brought 9 up. Spartan you are seriously taking away from the Vikes D. They caused many of those turnovers and held the Saints to 1 offensive TD which was on the first drive of the game. If 2ksports thought the Vikes Offense was horrendous I can't imagine the words he would use to describe the Saints offense which was much much much much much much worse than the vikings. Like they said on PTI... If it weren't for Bush running back two punts, the Saints had no business being in that game at all.

It's blatantly obvious that the Vikes need to fire Chilly. A part of me had hoped the Vikes would lose so we could fire Chilly. We need a QB and I hope this offseason we can find one. There's a certain starting QB in Arizona that is a FA after the year.

How much does it suck the Vikes passed on Brees a couple offseason's ago.

[Dan Lambskin]

They didn't earn that win. The Saints gift-wrapped it for them.

I think the Saints showed how to stop the Vikings. The Vikings offense was just horrendous on Monday Night and had no business of winning that game.

Detroit however is not the Saints. They are without a good leader and without a GM. They are team in turmoil and they will get stomped on.

However, without a RUNNING threat at the QB position like Tavaris Jackson, the Vikes will have trouble moving the ball on the ground. With Jackson at QB, one defender on each side of the ball will always be watching for the bootleg (more discipline), leaving it open for Peterson to go up the middle. With Gus Ferrotte, those 2 defenders are now both keyed in on Peterson as Ferrote is not a bootleg threat. In passing situations, those 2 players would likely just go on a blitz and open up gaps in the middle for a LB or lineman to stunt and crush Ferrotte. The QB change has hurt the Minny offense.

They even showed on NFL Live that not only did the Saints have 8 in the box for nearly every snap, but occasionally brought 9 up. Spartan you are seriously taking away from the Vikes D. They caused many of those turnovers and held the Saints to 1 offensive TD on the first drive. If 2ksports thought the Vikes Offense was horrendous I can't imagine the words he would use to describe the Saints offense which was much much much much much much worse than the vikings. Like they said on PTI... If it weren't for Bush running back two punts, the Saints had no business being in that game at all.

It's blatantly obvious that the Vikes need to fire Chilly. A part of me had hoped the Vikes would lose so we could fire Chilly. We need a QB and I hope this offseason we can find one. There's a certain starting QB in Arizona that is a FA after the year.

How much does it suck the Vikes passed on Brees a couple offseason's ago.

maybe the Lions will trade you Kitna for a 7th rounder

[treat24]

I would do that deal in a heartbeat dan... let's make some calls.

[Spartan03]

I wasn't saying the Vikes don't have a good defense, but it's not like they were dominant at all in that game. Some of the Saints mistakes were caused by Minnesota's greatness (couldn't think of a better word here, sorry), but I can think of 2 that were not. The Bush fumble with the face mask shouldn't have ever happened. Another one is when Brees threw a catchable ball to Lance Moore and he bobbled it, then threw it up right into a Vikings defender's hands. The latter was still a legitimate turnover, but that was not really to the credit of the Vikings defense (except for being aware) but more to the detriment of Lance Moore.

The Saints shut down AD, but lose? I'm not a Vikings enthusiast, but how often does that happen? Minnesota came through at the end when it mattered, but overall it really looked like they got outplayed on both sides of the ball. That's why I said the Saints gift-wrapped it with their errors. Maybe I'm downplaying the Vikings' efforts, but I don't think so. Oh well.

[2ksports]

They didn't earn that win. The Saints gift-wrapped it for them.

I think the Saints showed how to stop the Vikings. The Vikings offense was just horrendous on Monday Night and had no business of winning that game.

Detroit however is not the Saints. They are without a good leader and without a GM. They are team in turmoil and they will get stomped on.

However, without a RUNNING threat at the QB position like Tavaris Jackson, the Vikes will have trouble moving the ball on the ground. With Jackson at QB, one defender on each side of the ball will always be watching for the bootleg (more discipline), leaving it open for Peterson to go up the middle. With Gus Ferrotte, those 2 defenders are now both keyed in on Peterson as Ferrote is not a bootleg threat. In passing situations, those 2 players would likely just go on a blitz and open up gaps in the middle for a LB or lineman to stunt and crush Ferrotte. The QB change has hurt the Minny offense.

They even showed on NFL Live that not only did the Saints have 8 in the box for nearly every snap, but occasionally brought 9 up. Spartan you are seriously taking away from the Vikes D. They caused many of those turnovers and held the Saints to 1 offensive TD which was on the first drive of the game. If 2ksports thought the Vikes Offense was horrendous I can't imagine the words he would use to describe the Saints offense which was much much much much much much worse than the vikings. Like they said on PTI... If it weren't for Bush running back two punts, the Saints had no business being in that game at all.

It's blatantly obvious that the Vikes need to fire Chilly. A part of me had hoped the Vikes would lose so we could fire Chilly. We need a QB and I hope this offseason we can find one. There's a certain starting QB in Arizona that is a FA after the year.

How much does it suck the Vikes passed on Brees a couple offseason's ago.

Regardless, my point is that Tavaris Jackson actually helps out Peterson alot because it causes hesitation for defenders and creates holes and pancake blocks. I think they should put him back in and keep handing it off to Peterson with occasional bootlegs and playaction-bootleg pass-option to Berrian. They will score over 20 ppg doing this and that's more than enough for the Minny D b/c that style of offense eats up clock like crazy.

Fantasy wise, it is good for Peterson too b/c he will get over 30 carries a game.

[moochman]

I think I'll have to disagree with the Tav Jax premise. His ability to run the ball and inability to throw it would lead to the 8 man in the box strategy working better. Remember, the way to beat that D is to throw over it. TavJax has never shown the ability to do that with any measurable success.

If AD doesn't go for over 150yds vs the Marinellis (Lions) then I feel he will not break the 200 yard barrier this season.