BlueBandit24 wrote:Detroit got an absolute haul here and their fans have to be thrilled with this deal.
No doubt about it, Detroit fans should be elated, ....
The only reason we would be happy is because we got anything at all.
I'm sure I don't have to tell anyone here, but the Lions draft 3 straight WRs....in the top 10 of each draft....FIRST ROUND
So, three straight, first round, top 10 drafted WRs and we have this to show for it: late 1st round 2009 pick 3rd round 2009 pick
Oh wait you say, we got a 6th rounder too...but we gave up a 7th, I would say that cancels out
-------------- Charles Rogers - out of football (36 career rec; 4 TDs) Mike Williams - out of football (44 career rec) Roy Williams(and a 7th round pick) - (late 1st round pick / 3rd round pick / 6th round pick)
cobra333 wrote:Roy Williams is a top 10 WR who played on a HORRIBLE team.Yes he could get lazy and mess up his routes but who wouldn't playing on a team like the LIONS? Watch how effective he becomes with Dallas.
Roy wasn't even the best WR on his team. He has never put up top 10 production and is currently the 50th rated WR on standard Yahoo scoring system. 54th on PPR. Sure, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect to see his production increase in Dallas. But top ten. That's just crazy talk dude.
The way I see it.. Randy Moss turned to rust while he was stuck in Oakland. I know Roy Williams is no Randy Moss, but being on a decent team for once might make him play harder.
Saying Roy wasn't the most talented WR on his own team isn't really saying much...CJ is more talented then what, 95% of Wr's in the league now? He was a top 2 pick arguably the best player in the entire draft, Roy was a top 10 pick, CJ should be more talented.
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LS2throwed wrote:Saying Roy wasn't the most talented WR on his own team isn't really saying much...CJ is more talented then what, 95% of Wr's in the league now? He was a top 2 pick arguably the best player in the entire draft, Roy was a top 10 pick, CJ should be more talented.
Both you and Manja are right, Roy was second fiddle to a top flight WR. And he will surely be in a better place. But in Detroit he was needed and looked to much more than he will be in Dallas. He still is the #2 WR, plus now he has great RB and TE play to take looks from him. I could see his numbers getting better, but I have a hard time seeing top 20 numbers. Hey, I am wrong all the time. For Roy's sale I hope I am here.
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LS2throwed wrote:Saying Roy wasn't the most talented WR on his own team isn't really saying much...CJ is more talented then what, 95% of Wr's in the league now? He was a top 2 pick arguably the best player in the entire draft, Roy was a top 10 pick, CJ should be more talented.
Both you and Manja are right, Roy was second fiddle to a top flight WR. And he will surely be in a better place. But in Detroit he was needed and looked to much more than he will be in Dallas. He still is the #2 WR, plus now he has great RB and TE play to take looks from him. I could see his numbers getting better, but I have a hard time seeing top 20 numbers. Hey, I am wrong all the time. For Roy's sale I hope I am here.
Defenders have to cover T.O., Witten, the backs, etc. Roy will have a field day in Dallas. He'll be covered about as often as a hooker's ... legs.
It's just a matter of time before he's producing big in Dallas.
LS2throwed wrote:Saying Roy wasn't the most talented WR on his own team isn't really saying much...CJ is more talented then what, 95% of Wr's in the league now? He was a top 2 pick arguably the best player in the entire draft, Roy was a top 10 pick, CJ should be more talented.
Both you and Manja are right, Roy was second fiddle to a top flight WR. And he will surely be in a better place. But in Detroit he was needed and looked to much more than he will be in Dallas. He still is the #2 WR, plus now he has great RB and TE play to take looks from him. I could see his numbers getting better, but I have a hard time seeing top 20 numbers. Hey, I am wrong all the time. For Roy's sale I hope I am here.
Defenders have to cover T.O., Witten, the backs, etc. Roy will have a field day in Dallas. He'll be covered about as often as a hooker's ... legs.
It's just a matter of time before he's producing big in Dallas.
I guess it's all about perspective. I see TO (right now)> Franchise Calvin Johnson, Witten >>>>>>pick a TE, Barber >>>>>>Smith & Johnson. So while you think that means they will get covered and Roy will be open, I think they are better because they do get open so there are more options for Romo to throw too. His production should tick upward, I just don't by the hype. He has never been a tough minded WR and TO, Barber and Witten are the epitome of tough minded. What does it mean?????
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I think Roy will certainly be more productive in Dallas than he was the last couple years in Detroit. I'm not saying he will be the second-coming of Randy Moss. But I think the Moss comparison is a good one for this simple reason: he's a good receiver going to a team with a much better QB. In almost all WR moves, when a good WR goes to a team with a worse QB, they do worse. When the go to a team with a better QB, they perform better.
Again, while I think the Randy Moss comparison is valid, I do not think that Roy Williams will post Moss-esque numbers this year. But Roy should perform better.
Alright, for argument's sake, let's assume that Patrick Crayton is an equal talent to Roy Williams. Through five games, Crayton posted 291 yards and 2 TDs. With 11 games left, that would correlate to 640 yards and 4 TDs for the rest of the season. Since, we can all agree, Williams is more talented than Crayton, 640 yards and 4 TDs should be the minimum we, as fantasy owners, expect from him this season. That means, on a worst-case-scenario, we should expect WR35 numbers from Roy Williams. I know Brad Johnson will get brought up as will the fact that they play the Giants and Ravens in week 15 and 16, but Roy Williams owners should be happy. I'm not encouraging a trade for him until you see what he'll do in Dallas with a healthy Romo, but going from the Lions to the Cowboys should definitely make those who drafted Roy happy.
In regards to those who say that this is a dumb short-term deal for the Cowboys, I can't disagree with you more. The trade, in every way possible, makes the Cowboys better for this season. They gave up no talent from their roster and added a (potential) top 10 for their offense. Long-term, I think there is more of a question mark, but if the Cowboys can sign him to a long-term deal (which I assume they will), this is a good deal for the Cowboys in both the short and long-term.
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