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Postby deerayfan072 » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:59 pm

Only had 8 this week, but here it is ;-D

Top 25

Texas
Alabama
Penn State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
USC
Florida
Georgia
Texas Tech
Ohio State
Utah
Boise State
LSU
TCU
South Florida
Pittsburgh
Missouri
Ball State
Tulsa
Georgia Tech
Kansas
Boston College
Florida State
Minnesota
Northwestern

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01. Texas
02. Alabama
03. Oklahoma St
04. Oklahoma
05. Penn St
06. Utah
07. USC
08. Ohio State
09. Georgia
10. Florida
11. Boise St
12. Texas Tech
13. Pittsburgh
14. South Florida
15. TCU
16. Georgia Tech
17. Boston College
18. Ball State
19. Tulsa
20. Minnesota
21. Northwestern
22. LSU
23. Brigham Young
24. Virginia Tech
25. Mizzou
26. Kansas
27. Florida State
28.Cincinnati
29. Michigan St
30. North Carolina

Knapplc

1 Texas
2 Alabama
3 Penn State
4 Oklahoma
5 USC
6 Texas Tech
7 Florida
8 Oklahoma State
9 Georgia
10 Ohio State
11 LSU
12 Utah
13 Boise State
14 South Florida
15 TCU
16 Pittsburgh
17 Tulsa
18 Missouri
19 Kansas
20 BYU
21 Minnesota
22 Ball State
23 Georgia Tech
24 Florida State
25 Northwestern
26 Boston College
27 Virginia Tech
28 Oregon
29 North Carolina
30 Vanderbilt

Vaderfin

1 Texas
2 Alabama
3 Penn State
4 Oklahoma
5 Texas Tech
6 Oklahoma State
7 USC
8 Florida
9 Georgia
10 Ohio State
11 Utah
12 Boise State
13 LSU
14 TCU
15 South Florida
16 Georgia Tech
17 Tulsa
18 Ball State
19 Northwestern
20 Pitt
21 Missouri
22 BYU
23 Florida State
24 Minnesota
25 Kansas
26 Boston College
27 Virginia Tech
28 Vanderbilt
29 Michigan State
30 North Carolina

BB24

1-Texas
2-Alabama
3-Penn State
4-USC
5-Oklahoma
6-Florida
7-Oklahoma State
8-Georgia
9-LSU
10-Texas Tech
11-Ohio State
12-Boise State
13-TCU
14-Missouri
15-Utah
16-Pittsburgh
17-South Florida
18-Kansas
19-Tulsa
20-Georgia Tech
21-Ball State
22-Florida State
23-BYU
24-Boston College
25-Northwestern
26-Vanderbilt
27-Michigan State
28-Minnesota
29-Maryland
30-Kentucky

JayDay

Texas
Alabama
Penn State
Oklahoma
Florida
Georgia
USC
Ohio State
Oklahoma State
Utah
Boise State
Texas Tech
TCU
LSU
Missouri
South Florida
Kansas
Georgia Tech
Pittsburgh
Tulsa
Boston College
Minnesota
Florida State
Ball State
Oregon
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Michigan State
North Carolina
Iowa

AFF

1. Texas
2. Penn St.
3. Alabama
4. Oklahoma St.
5. Texas Tech
6. Oklahoma
7. Georgia
8. Florida
9. USC
10. LSU
11. Ohio St.
12. Utah
13. Florida St.
14. Ball St.
15. Boise St.
16. Pittsburgh
17. TCU
18. Kansas
19. Michigan St.
20. Missouri
21. South Florida
22. Maryland
23. BYU
24. Boston College
25. Cincinnati
26. Minnesota
27. Arizona
28. Northwestern
29. Georgia Tech
30. Virginia Tech

Deeray

Texas
Alabama
Penn State
Oklahoma
Florida
Oklahoma State
USC
Georgia
Texas Tech
LSU
Ohio State
Utah
Boise State
Pittsburgh
South Florida
Tulsa
TCU
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Ball State
Minnesota
Missouri
Northwestern
Cincinatti
Brigham Young
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Kansas
Vanderbilt
Oregon
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:30 pm

Hey, BB and Knapp, can you guys both explain why you have USC ranked so high?
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby knapplc » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:29 am

Pretty simple - I think they are better than Texas Tech, Florida, Oklahoma State, Georgia, etc., but I'm not going to say they're a "lock" at #5, either. The reality of today's college football landscape is that every team in the top 25 could really beat every other team. There's probably a pretty decent argument to be made to rank USC #10 and to rank them #5.

I've only got them ranked a spot or two ahead of most everybody else, so I don't think that's too far out of whack. If I had them at #1-3, then I think the argument begins to get shaky, but I'm comfortable where I have them. And I wouldn't argue with your rankings either, AFF. I think it's becoming a real crapshoot these days.

Can't say I like that, really. :*)
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby BlueBandit24 » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:01 am

A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Hey, BB and Knapp, can you guys both explain why you have USC ranked so high?


Pretty much in line with what Knapp said, I feel they're the 4th best team in the country. They got caught napping against Oregon State, but I would take my chances with USC against nearly everyone else in the country if the game's played at a neutral site. That 4-7 quartet I have though is pretty interchangeable, as I don't feel one of those teams really stands above the rest.
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby knapplc » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:24 am

BlueBandit24 wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Hey, BB and Knapp, can you guys both explain why you have USC ranked so high?


Pretty much in line with what Knapp said, I feel they're the 4th best team in the country. They got caught napping against Oregon State, but I would take my chances with USC against nearly everyone else in the country if the game's played at a neutral site. That 4-7 quartet I have though is pretty interchangeable, as I don't feel one of those teams really stands above the rest.

Yep. Nobody really stands out all that much so far. Not three weeks ago I called Texas a "paper tiger," and here I have them #1 now. Everyone is vulnerable these days, and not one team in these rankings should ever be considered a "lock" at their rank.
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:28 pm

Well, I guess I should rephrase my questioning then. If Texas Tech, USC, and Penn St. all win out and Texas and Alabama don't, who would you put in the National Championship if it were up to you? Because as of now, you both have USC ahead of Texas Tech, yet both winning out would result in a 1 loss Pac 10 team getting in ahead of an undefeated Big 12 team.
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby BlueBandit24 » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:47 pm

Impossible question to answer because so much can change between now and then and I will have a different feel at that time for who I feel the best two teams are then I do now, not to mention all the hypotheticals included. But, to answer the Texas Tech question, I would put them in because that would mean they strung together 4 straight wins against Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma plus a win in the Big 12 title game. I couldn't argue with that. I am lower on them than some because of their cake schedule so far with really only one decent opponent (Nebraska).
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby knapplc » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:01 pm

Flesh, I don't see my rankings as all that static. If USC earns their spot at the end of the season, so be it, but if they play a weaker schedule than, say, Oklahoma State, and both win out, I have zero problem bumping OSU up over USC at that time.

If you've looked at my rankings all year, I've jumped teams over other teams several times, and I've dropped different teams less than others after losses. As stricken by parity as we are, to my mode of thinking we're still in a feeling-out phase of the season. We really don't know all that much about what we're seeing from a lot of teams.
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby knapplc » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:09 am

Flesh, after reading your comments in the game talk thread, I have serious questions about your ability to question MY rankings. If you didn't grasp that TT over KU wasn't an upset, despite what some Vegas oddsmaker says, I think you have a lot to learn about college football.
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Re: Week 9 Cafe Rankings Poll and Discussion

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:23 am

knapplc wrote:Flesh, after reading your comments in the game talk thread, I have serious questions about your ability to question MY rankings. If you didn't grasp that TT over KU wasn't an upset, despite what some Vegas oddsmaker says, I think you have a lot to learn about college football.


A couple things Knapp:

1) I picked Tech to win that game with a lot of confidence points. I was just trying to point out that Tech should get credit for what they did. I also said that it was technically an upset. No matter how bad you think Kansas may be, I was right about that. It was technically an upset.

2) I wasn't trying to question your ability to rank or the validity of your rankings. I was trying to understand why you put USC up that high because I was genuinely interested. I apologize if I came across as being critical of you, but that really wasn't my intent.
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