The Lung wrote:One of the absolute joys of being in a dynasty league is weighing the decision between building a team for the future vs. making a one-year run. I honestly cannot imagine leagues that deprive owners of that experience.
The baseball league and the football league that I run are both keeper. There's a strong incentive to build to the future, and I encourage it. However, a league also needs limits, and that's why people spend time considering how many keepers are they going to allow and what sort of restrictions (number, years, draft round) are they going to place on them? Because people want the owners who have prepared for the future to have an edge, but they also want enough variation that the league is at least interesting for everyone. And the problem I have with trading draft picks is that it completely circumvents any sort of keeper restriction that you put in.
It also means that if people really start trading draft picks, you would need to completely sell out in order to compete in any given year. Otherwise you would be in the position of one owner who, for whatever reason, wasn't that interested this year, trading all of his top draft choices to someone else for their top 6 draft picks next year. Now all of a sudden there's 10 teams who had draft picks in Rounds 1-18, 1 team who had no picks from the first 6, and one guy who had 2 picks in Round 1, 2 picks in Round 3, 2 picks in Round 4, 2 picks in Round 5, 2 picks in Round 6, and normal picks after that. I know people on this site like the rugged tough talk ("You just gotta buckle up and try harder to beat him!") but really to allow that to happen is just stupid. If I couldn't win a league where I got two (or maybe more, maybe I swung even more deals) picks in the early rounds to everyone else's one, then I shouldn't be in a serious league. And after people catch on that's how you win a championship, that would become just about the only road there. If that's what you're trying to encourage, hey, have a blast. I try to encourage people being smart in who they draft in the years before and then being smart in who they choose to draft in the current year and letting the person who does that the best win the league.
Now, part of our difference may be because you're coming at it from a dynasty league, which I've never played in. If you have 12 teams and every team keeps 10 players so the top 120 players are already off of the board before the draft begins, and you're basically only drafting rookies, then I wouldn't care as much. Because there the draft would play a much smaller role than in a normal league.
The Lung wrote:Matthias, on a personal note, based on your outlook on trades, as well as not allowing the trading of future draft picks, you and I seem to have very very different ideas about how fantasy football leagues should be run. It seems like your top priority as a commissioner is ensuring absolute balance in the league, at the cost of restricting owners' freedoms.
Every rule ever made restricts some sort of freedom: that's the raison d'être
of the whole thing. I'm interested in sensible rules that create an environment where the person who has been the best judge of player talent, now and in the future, has the best chance to win. I do not want to see anyone do well because they're gaming the system or exploiting a loophole. So the type of freedoms I encourage are investing in players who you think are going to do well. The type of freedoms I discourage are formalistic: the freedom to tank an entire season by trading away a roster for an over-loaded roster next year. The first type of freedom is IMO what fantasy sports are about: who can do the better research; who can better predict how depth charts are going to work out; who can better predict if a team is really going to dedicate to the run or the pass in any given year. The second type of freedom is freedom for the sake of itself. It's the freedom to take a crap in a swimming pool because you want to do so at that moment. And honestly, I'd rather ban underwater crapping than have to clear everyone else out of the water because we have a floater.
The Lung wrote:
As a commissioner, it's not my job to disallow owners from making trades I might not personally make. If managers want to make trades that I personally think are not of equal value, that is their prerogative. Who am I to be the sole judge of player's worth? If managers want to trade away a player for an early 1st round draft pick in next year's rookie draft, I don't stop them. One team loses a player's contributions for this year but builds for the future. The other team gets a good player but makes sacrifices on future young talent.
As your favorite writer Mark St. Amant would say,
It's not my job to "protect" a grown man who unfortunately rode the short bus to the trade negotiation.
Actually, as one of my favorite writers (myself) has said:
My point is that people, when asked these questions, tend to over-personalize them. "I have had X trade vetoed and it really sucked" or, "In my league, I would never veto this trade" when the truth is, these questions aren't being asked in the context of your/my team or your/my league. They're being asked in the context of a league that, until we ask the OP about, we don't know. I'm all for letting people make their own decisions and live with their own mistakes or reap their own rewards. But until we have a little bit of more info on the league and people involved, we don't really know if that's probably what's happening or if it's more likely that two people are colluding.
All my opinions on trades are opinions on trades that do not happen in my leagues
. If they did, my opinion would be different.
As far as your player for draft pick story goes, I'm not policing whether or not Player X is worth a draft choice: that's not at all what I'm doing or saying. What I'm policing is whether or not a league is set up so that it lacks controls. You obviously like the idea of having a league where you would be essentially required to sell off one year in order to win the next. Me, I don't. I would rather reward someone who actually knows football and wants to compete every
The virtue which you're rewarding is the virtue of giving up. The virtue which I'm rewarding is the virtue of being prepared and always fighting. We're just coming at it from different philosophies.