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4 way tie breaker?

Postby djadrock » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:43 pm

There are two spots for the playoffs. The first tie-breaker is head-to-head wins. There are four teams with identical records.

Each team is listed below with their record among the 4 teams hoping for the 2 spots.

Team A - 2-1 (loss to team B) 66% winning
Team B - 2-2 (loss to team C/D...played team C two times and they split) 50% winning but with an extra game
Team C - 1-3 (loss to Team A/B/C...played team B two times and they split) 33% winning
Team D - 2-1 (loss to team A) 66% winning

Who makes the playoffs?

Wouldn't team A/D based on highest winning percentage?

This is a nice mess!
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Re: 4 way tie breaker?

Postby Matthias » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:55 pm

+1 on reasons not to use Head to Head as a tiebreaker.

I look at this two ways.
1) You can't do head to head for 4 teams; move on to your next tiebreaker.
2) Your instinct is right; the teams that win are those that have the highest win %age against all the teams involved.

So, if you use head to head for this 4-way tiebreak, your thinking is right. If you decide that it's not how to do it, then move on to the next tiebreaker.
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Re: 4 way tie breaker?

Postby djadrock » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:08 pm

Our next tie-breaker is division record, which I HATE more than head-to-head!!! Being as three of the teams are in different divisions. One of the divisions is the toughest with two teams dominating the league. I am going to talk during the off-season about using points as the tie-breaker. That is simple and would make it cut and dry.
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Re: 4 way tie breaker?

Postby padrino990_200 » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:37 am

why dont you just use points as your tiebreaker? its never going to be a tie
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Re: 4 way tie breaker?

Postby Dan Lambskin » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:03 pm

we just had a similar situation in one of my leagues...4 teams tied for the final 2 spots (3 from the same division). Division tie was broken first so that left 3 teams which again goes to H2H however it was an uneven number of games so commish decided to throw it out and move onto next tie-breaker which was total points

i was out in either scenario but i argued that it should default to winning %. we are looking at reworking the tiebreakers for next year.

personally, i still like the H2H to apply when applicable. i also like Division record to break division ties

we will probably go to something like
Division tie between 2 teams
1. H2H
2. Division Record
3. Total Points
4. Coin Flip

Division tie between 3 teams
1. combined H2H
2. Division Record
3. Total Points
4. ??? not sure yet

Wildcard tie between 2 teams
1. H2H
2. Total Points
3. Coin Flip

Wildcard tie between 3 teams
1. H2H (If even number of games)
2. Total Points
3. ???

but again, total points is the easiest way to do it
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Re: 4 way tie breaker?

Postby spodog » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:08 pm

djadrock wrote:Our next tie-breaker is division record, which I HATE more than head-to-head!!! Being as three of the teams are in different divisions. One of the divisions is the toughest with two teams dominating the league. I am going to talk during the off-season about using points as the tie-breaker. That is simple and would make it cut and dry.


Why would you use Division Record as a tie breaker criteria to break ties for teams across multiple divisions? That's insane. O:-)
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Re: 4 way tie breaker?

Postby WaCougMBS » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:18 pm

Most of this seems crazy to me. The tie breakers should always be total points scored when it comes to a mass tie like this, IMO. In one of my leagues, we take into account head-to-head numbers (head-to-head wins and then total points against each other if that is tied also) when it's a two-way tie, but that is the only exception. Division records have almost nothing to do with anything since you probably only play 3-6 games in your division and then the rest out of your division (and probably not in an even distribution)...
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Re: 4 way tie breaker?

Postby dupree » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:00 am

we use H2H Sweep in the case of > 2 teams tied for a playoff spot IFF APPLICABLE, meaning that all teams involved in the tie played each other an = number of times. (i.e. each of the 4 teams played the other 3 exactly 1 time or exactly twice). By Sweep I mean one and only one team had to win or lose 100% of those games. And that team either gets the spot (100% wins) or is eliminated (100% losses) from contention.

The second tie break is, of course, total points scored.

After one team is eliminated/wins a tie break all remaining teams revert back to step one to break the remaining ties if any.
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