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Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby joejlitz » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:46 pm

My opponent this week is starting Shaun Hill (SF) and the Dolphins DST. I can't help but think this bodes well for me because every interception (-1 for the QB) negates itself (+1 for the DEF).

Thoughts? :-?
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Re: Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby dream_017 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:09 am

joejlitz wrote:My opponent this week is starting Shaun Hill (SF) and the Dolphins DST. I can't help but think this bodes well for me because every interception (-1 for the QB) negates itself (+1 for the DEF).

Thoughts? :-?

Don't forget that he can throw a TD to anyone on the field and get points for it ;-7 That does not bode well for you ;-)
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Re: Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby joejlitz » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:57 am

dream_017 wrote:
joejlitz wrote:My opponent this week is starting Shaun Hill (SF) and the Dolphins DST. I can't help but think this bodes well for me because every interception (-1 for the QB) negates itself (+1 for the DEF).

Thoughts? :-?

Don't forget that he can throw a TD to anyone on the field and get points for it ;-7 That does not bode well for you ;-)

I know you're being ;-7 and ;-) , but I'm not getting it...
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Re: Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby waterproof » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:24 pm

joejlitz wrote:My opponent this week is starting Shaun Hill (SF) and the Dolphins DST. I can't help but think this bodes well for me because every interception (-1 for the QB) negates itself (+1 for the DEF).

Thoughts? :-?

I think I know what you are saying. If one player blows up, odds are the other one has a bad day.

So if Hill throws 4 TDs, Miami's D gets less points.
If Miami intercepts Hill 4 times, Hill loses points each time.

I think this could limit your opponent's upside, so it might be good for you. Of course there are a lot of variables (example: no QB negatives for sacks), so this might not be as much of an edge as you think. I think it really depends on your scoring system if this benefits you or not.
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Re: Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby dream_017 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:28 pm

joejlitz wrote:
dream_017 wrote:
joejlitz wrote:My opponent this week is starting Shaun Hill (SF) and the Dolphins DST. I can't help but think this bodes well for me because every interception (-1 for the QB) negates itself (+1 for the DEF).

Thoughts? :-?

Don't forget that he can throw a TD to anyone on the field and get points for it ;-7 That does not bode well for you ;-)

I know you're being ;-7 and ;-) , but I'm not getting it...

If he throws a TD to Bruce, he gets points...if he throws an INT returned for TD he gets points, therefore he can throw a TD to anyone on the field and get points ;-7 ;-7
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Re: Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby joejlitz » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:32 pm

Even if Hill throws 3 TDs (at 3 points each), that's only 21 points and a -2 for the DST, so that's not even really an advantage after you factor in the yardage.

I'm just talking about the fact that every time Hill throws an INT, he loses a point. MIA gains a point. That's a net gain of zero points.
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Re: Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby JasonSeahorn » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:48 pm

It really doesn't matter, it's just about playing the guys you think will score the most points.

E.g. If I have Shaun Hill and Joe Flacco at QB, and I think Hill will score 16 points and Flacco will score 12 points, I go with Hill obviously. If I have Miami D and Seattle D, and I think Miami D will score 8 and Seattle 6, I'll play Miami obviously.

The only "limited upside" is if you play the guys you think won't score the most points. There are other ways for Miami D to get points beyond interceptions (sack and fumbles), and even if it does get intercepted, it can still be returned for a TD and be a good net gain of points. Hill, on the other hand, can rack up yards that doesn't count against Miami D (unless your scoring system says it does)

I understand why one might think that player X doing good would mean that defense Y would do bad, or vice versa, but that doesn't really hold true.
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Re: Strategy: Starting Shaun Hill and the Dolphins DST

Postby ampant » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:51 am

JasonSeahorn wrote:It really doesn't matter, it's just about playing the guys you think will score the most points.


Agreed . . . a "playing not to lose" strategy may cost you the win. Evaluate players based upon their likelihood of scoring independent of what pther players are doing.

IE: If I have Brandon Marshall and my opponent has Cutler, it's not any worse for me than if he has Warner playing the Rams in Arizona, in fact it might be better. But I want to take advantage of Marshalls points even if Cutler is going to have a huge game. I'll still root for Marshall to get the ball and cringe if Royal catches a TD.

That being said, I don't think that MIA or Shawn Hill are bad plays. SF had like 5 fumbles last week, they just managed to recover 4 of them. Hill might still have a good game for you even if MIA does.
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