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R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby Crystalstorm » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:59 am

Next year Pierre Thomas will be a top 10 back IMP.He runs better than Bush and he can catch the ball just as well.If your in a PPR league Thomas is a top 10 pick.Bush is a whimp,and hates to be hit,always running out of bounds,insted of into other players for the extra yard or 2.

Pierre is basically helping me win my Championship.Something a healthy Bush could never do. ;-)

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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby treat24 » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:17 am

I don't think Thomas will be anywhere near the top ten, but I agree on him being a better back than Bush. unless you are in a ppr or a league with return yards/tds, Bush is ridiculously inconsistent. There have been SOoooooooooooooo many backs over the last 15+ years of me playing fantasy football that lit up the fantasy score boards at the end of the season then did little the following season. The Larry Johnson's of the world don't happen THAT often. Ryan Grant hasn't done horrible, but he's performed well below what he look liked at the end of last year. Fantasy owners can rejoice that injuries and a holdout dropped his draft stock... otherwise he woulda been going in the 2nd round in most leagues.
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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby ampant » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:57 am

Just say "whimp" . . . and leave it at that. ;-D

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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby Matthias » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:09 am

I think people have overbought into the Reggie Bush hype so that they now have written him off as a bust. The normal peak of an NFL running back is around 25; Bush will still be only 24 when next season starts. And teams are very slow to write off projected franchise players; so I expect Reggie Bush to have a decent season next year. Pierre Thomas is really anyone's guess.
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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby Kareighuis » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:30 pm

I agree with the general sentiments of the OP. I don't think Thomas is "anyone's guess"- he's shown the drive to succeed at a high level in the NFL.

treat24 wrote:Ryan Grant hasn't done horrible, but he's performed well below what he look liked at the end of last year. Fantasy owners can rejoice that injuries and a holdout dropped his draft stock... otherwise he woulda been going in the 2nd round in most leagues.


In the one league I traded for Ryan Grant, he was drafted in the 2nd round, making buying-low on him difficult.
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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby moochman » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:15 pm

treat24 wrote:I don't think Thomas will be anywhere near the top ten, but I agree on him being a better back than Bush. unless you are in a ppr or a league with return yards/tds, Bush is ridiculously inconsistent. There have been SOoooooooooooooo many backs over the last 15+ years of me playing fantasy football that lit up the fantasy score boards at the end of the season then did little the following season. The Larry Johnson's of the world don't happen THAT often. Ryan Grant hasn't done horrible, but he's performed well below what he look liked at the end of last year. Fantasy owners can rejoice that injuries and a holdout dropped his draft stock... otherwise he woulda been going in the 2nd round in most leagues.


I, too, think top ten is buying the hype, but he could be a real nice #2 RB. I see no way Deuce is a factor next year and Thomas has shown the ability to fill his spot.
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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby dgan » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:50 am

Did anyone read Payton's lips when Reggie asked to come off the field a couple plays after coming up hobbling. I'm pretty sure it was, "Let's go. Toughen up." And it was not said kindly. Later, he was screaming at him for bouncing a run outside instead of cutting upfield. After that encounter, Bush didn't see any action for nearly two quarters.

There are guys that just like the posh life too much to take an NFL pounding. I'm not saying Bush is one of those guys yet, but he's definitely earning a reputation for being a wuss. He's also been vocal about pursuing an acting career...I really have to wonder if this guy has the drive it takes to succeed in the NFL.

Pierre Thomas is the real deal. He's got the whole package - probably not in the top half of talent for RBs in the league, but he appears smart and determined, runs inside and outside and understands the passing game. A combination that worked for guys like Ryan Grant who maybe aren't the most talented. The down side is that this offense line does not run block terribly well, and I'm sure defenses will find ways to scheme to take away what strengths they do have. Should be interesting to see what NO does in the offseason...I'd be careful taking Pierre too high, but if the situation is pretty similar next year, I'd say he'd make a good #2 RB that you might pick up a little cheaper than others.
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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby FatFoot » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:30 am

None of us would be talking about Pierre Thomas if Reggie Bush hadn't been hurt this year. PPR he was outpacing EVERYONE at the time of his injury. He was obvious MUST START. So I can't imagine writing him off that fast. But he's surely got some injury concerns going forward.

Pierre Thomas looks like a great RB2. Fresh and healthy, I have to think that Bush is still the more valuable player, because of the threat to just take off with the ball, and the presence of Brees. I sort of think that Thomas' value next season will be dictated by a combination of Reggie's health and the schedule that the Saints face.

For championship week next week, though... the answer is "Reggie Who?"
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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby pangbones » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:21 pm

FatFoot wrote:None of us would be talking about Pierre Thomas if Reggie Bush hadn't been hurt this year. PPR he was outpacing EVERYONE at the time of his injury. He was obvious MUST START. So I can't imagine writing him off that fast. But he's surely got some injury concerns going forward.

Pierre Thomas looks like a great RB2. Fresh and healthy, I have to think that Bush is still the more valuable player, because of the threat to just take off with the ball, and the presence of Brees. I sort of think that Thomas' value next season will be dictated by a combination of Reggie's health and the schedule that the Saints face.

For championship week next week, though... the answer is "Reggie Who?"


Indeed. In my ppr league, he was the #1 RB when he was hurt. And yes that KILLED my team. I do think Thomas can be a solid RB. I think saying he'll be a top 10 RB is crazy though. I think he'd be a good #3 RB next year. As long as Bush is there, that will obviously hurt his value. But I definitely could see Thomas putting up numbers similar to McAllister 2 years ago.
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Re: R. Bush VS P.Thomas

Postby Sex Panther » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:28 am

Bush is one of the more exciting players in the NFL.

However, I don't think he will ever be a 20+ touch a game type player. He is not an every down running back.

IMO, he would be best utilized as a part time type of guy - kind of like a faster, more talented Kevin Faulk.

He is a wonderful reciever, electric punt returner, and is a threat to score any time he gets the ball in space.

NO needs to realize that Bush is never going to stay healthy if they continue to try and force feed him the ball.

Bush w/ 12-15 touches a game, 16 games out of the year is much more valuable than Bush w/ 18-25 touches a game 10 games a year (missing the other 6 w/ injuries).

Bush is a guy who has never averaged 4+ YPC for a season, and, frankly, if NO continues to try and make him something he's not - he never will.

Thomas is a guy who has shown he can handle more of a load. He isn't a special talent, but he is definately more than adequate at the RB position & he fits the NO system incredibly well.

I would imagine NO is going to address their running game in the off season.

I would say heading into 09, the NO backfield will look like this -

P. Thomas 1st & 2nd down back.
R. Bush 3rd down (passing situations) & change of pace, punt returner.
TBD short yardage specialist (unless they determine that Thomas is that guy, which I personally don't believe).

What they need to figure out is how they can get Bush & Thomas on the field together at the same time & take advantage of the talents of both.

NO is absolutely loaded on the offensive side of the ball - Bush, Thomas, Colston, Moore, Shockey, Meachem, Henderson, Brees. They are going to score, but they lack that mean streak. They need an ass kicker & they need to be able to grind out tough yardage & the clock. Speed & finesse may be fun to watch, but not every game is played in the Superdome & you aren't going to win in December & January with out a credible running game.
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