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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby Nfl Fan » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:52 pm

Metroid wrote:
dream_017 wrote:
treat24 wrote:
Top Ten:
Portland, OR

Bottom Ten:
Stockton, CA

Way to go Met ;-D

Awesome. :-b


The question is: Was the survey taken before or after you moved and to what degree was it affected?
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby BlueBandit24 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:02 pm

This stat more than makes up for the Vikings loss on Sunday...
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby bigh0rt » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:07 pm

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FantasyFutballGuru13 wrote:secondly, I don't wanna sound mean, but is it just me or do those bottom 10 sound like cities with high mexican populations? yes. yes they do. kick 'em out. I'm just saying.

You put your foot in your mouth so many times it's not even funny anymore, man. Are you choosing to ignore the waves upon waves upon waves of illiterate European immigrants these two centuries past? How are they any different than Hispanics? Today the descendents of those Europeans are our leaders - the Kennedys, the Bushs, the Rockefellers, the Knapps... the list is too long to put here. But because TODAY we have illiterate Mexicans coming in, we have to kick them out?

I know you're a kid, but you really, really need to wise up.

I realize this is/was the case, and I never denied it or disagreed with anything you've mentioned. However I don't like how the Mexican immigration problem is being handled, we don't do enough to control it.

In reality it's not Mexicans/Hispanics, whomever, it's the way the American people handle the situation. I believe that when they immigrate here, they should learn our language, not the other way around. I believe they should have to become citizens, and if they don't we kick 'em out, or at the very least, don't spend our money educating them, etc.

We should make them follow our religion too.
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby Guru13 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:29 pm

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knapplc wrote:You put your foot in your mouth so many times it's not even funny anymore, man. Are you choosing to ignore the waves upon waves upon waves of illiterate European immigrants these two centuries past? How are they any different than Hispanics? Today the descendents of those Europeans are our leaders - the Kennedys, the Bushs, the Rockefellers, the Knapps... the list is too long to put here. But because TODAY we have illiterate Mexicans coming in, we have to kick them out?

I know you're a kid, but you really, really need to wise up.

I realize this is/was the case, and I never denied it or disagreed with anything you've mentioned. However I don't like how the Mexican immigration problem is being handled, we don't do enough to control it.

In reality it's not Mexicans/Hispanics, whomever, it's the way the American people handle the situation. I believe that when they immigrate here, they should learn our language, not the other way around. I believe they should have to become citizens, and if they don't we kick 'em out, or at the very least, don't spend our money educating them, etc.

We should make them follow our religion too.

o come now, that comparison isn't even remotely reasonable. The constitution forbids the government from supporting one religion in particular. However a national language has been voted on and passed many times in different states and in congress, and it's not at all unreasonable to expect immigrants to learn the language and speak it well.
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby Nfl Fan » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:55 pm

I suspect dumb Americans have more to do with this than immigrants. :-b Yee-haw!

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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby knapplc » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:07 pm

Nfl Fan wrote:I suspect dumb Americans have more to do with this than immigrants. :-b Yee-haw!

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Totally completely agree.



And FFG - I get where you're coming from. The language thing is a daily grind for me. Remember that I work with immigrants every single day. Many is the time I wish they all spoke English, but that's not my call. There are just so many people for whom learning a language is not a skill they possess, but whose contributions to American society are invaluable. I don't like the fact that the first act of some immigrants is to break the law (illegal immigration), but the work they do when they come here is by-and-large wonderful, and more a reflection on "the American Dream" than the daily lives of many Americans several generations off the boat.

Let's not throw all immigrants under the bus. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby Cowboys 4 life » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:44 pm

I can attest to Anaheim and Santa Ana. I grew up within 10 miles of both of those cities. Both of those cities went from nice average income cities to slums in about 15-20 years. Santa Ana is where Mater Dei is at who is always a great HS football team. The housing value in the whole area was staying even when others were sky rocketing earlier this decade. It smells bad. Front yards are not mowed. 15 people a household. 10 cars (8 broken down) in each driveway. Noone speaks English. Its just bad.

FFG is right. It is law that a US citizen must know and understand the English language. Street signs are in English. 911 Speaks English. This isn't a bowl of Stew its a melting pot. You conform to the standards of the place you are immigrating to. The nationality doesn't matter. If the US continues to allow people to immigrate here and tell us how things are going to be with a hand out at the same time, we are doomed. Mass confusion.

There is a reason why all these are illiterate cities. They don't know English whis is America's standard for literacy.
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:26 pm

I didn't read every page on that site, but I didn't see anything that said someone had to be able to read English to qualify as literate. Also, their indicators seem ridiculous to me:
This study focuses on six key indicators of literacy: newspaper circulation, number of bookstores, library resources, periodical publishing resources, educational attainment, and Internet resources.

How is the number of periodical publishing resources in a given community an indicator of overall literacy? Seems like they'd get more accurate results by hiring a reputable polling firm to actually poll people.
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby treat24 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:55 am

Art Vandelay wrote:I didn't read every page on that site, but I didn't see anything that said someone had to be able to read English to qualify as literate. Also, their indicators seem ridiculous to me:
This study focuses on six key indicators of literacy: newspaper circulation, number of bookstores, library resources, periodical publishing resources, educational attainment, and Internet resources.

How is the number of periodical publishing resources in a given community an indicator of overall literacy? Seems like they'd get more accurate results by hiring a reputable polling firm to actually poll people.


you can pick apart any... ANY study that comes out (not you personally, but anyone can tear down a study with ease)... We all know this study isn't a fact, nor could it ever be. There is no way to do a study to make it accurate and that includes having a polling firm polling people because people lie. It's a lot tougher to lie about the actual numbers of the things used for this particular study. It's been a respected study for a few years... I'll just say I take pretty much ALL studies with a grain of salt. They are just a fun little enjoyable thing to take a look at. Like stereotypes and such, because studies are done with sets of data or at least a scientific process, there is obviously a degree of truth to it. My guess is if you go with your suggestion of polling ... you'll still find pretty similar results. The order may change some, but it'll still be close enough.

I just posted it for fun cuz I noticed a lot of cafers cities... :-D
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Re: America’s Top10 Most Literate Cities... Hey NFL Fan, we rock

Postby knapplc » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:18 am

Cowboys 4 life wrote:I can attest to Anaheim and Santa Ana. I grew up within 10 miles of both of those cities. Both of those cities went from nice average income cities to slums in about 15-20 years. Santa Ana is where Mater Dei is at who is always a great HS football team. The housing value in the whole area was staying even when others were sky rocketing earlier this decade. It smells bad. Front yards are not mowed. 15 people a household. 10 cars (8 broken down) in each driveway. Noone speaks English. Its just bad.

FFG is right. It is law that a US citizen must know and understand the English language. Street signs are in English. 911 Speaks English. This isn't a bowl of Stew its a melting pot. You conform to the standards of the place you are immigrating to. The nationality doesn't matter. If the US continues to allow people to immigrate here and tell us how things are going to be with a hand out at the same time, we are doomed. Mass confusion.

There is a reason why all these are illiterate cities. They don't know English whis is America's standard for literacy.

This belief that America has an "official language" is funny. Not only does America NOT have an official language, this omission is not an accident. The Founding Fathers lived in colonies filled with non-English-speaking immigrants from every corner of Europe, yet they chose NOT to declare an official language. Ever wonder why that is?

Here's a hint - it has to do with the whole "melting pot" concept.

Think about it.
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