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FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby deerayfan072 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:13 pm

after 3rd Arrest since 2006, second in last year.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Preston Parker's troubled football career at Florida State is over after his second arrest in less than a year.

Parker had only 40 catches for 372 yards and two touchdowns in 2008 after missing the first two games.

Coach Bobby Bowden announced the junior receiver was dismissed from the team Monday in a one-sentence statement released by the school. Parker, who met with Bowden before the announcement, will remain in school on scholarship.


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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:03 pm

Why does he get to keep his scholarship? :-?

If he was injured, I'd agree that he should stay on scholarship, but not after being kicked off the team.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby Metroid » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:29 am

It wouldn't have surprised me if the school had snatched up the scholarship but kudos to them for not. While the kid is obviously troubled, his life would have only turned out much worse had the University turned it's back on him. Hopefully he realizes this last golden opportunity he has at FSU, takes advantage, and turns his life around.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:35 pm

Metroid wrote:It wouldn't have surprised me if the school had snatched up the scholarship but kudos to them for not. While the kid is obviously troubled, his life would have only turned out much worse had the University turned it's back on him. Hopefully he realizes this last golden opportunity he has at FSU, takes advantage, and turns his life around.


So the kid gets a scholarship for the sole reason that he can play football well, yet now he keeps the scholarship, despite not playing football for reasons that were completely under his control? I'm not giving a university kudos for that. Let him still go to school, and give him financial aid like you might any other kid if necessary, but he shouldn't get to keep his scholarship.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:12 pm

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Metroid wrote:It wouldn't have surprised me if the school had snatched up the scholarship but kudos to them for not. While the kid is obviously troubled, his life would have only turned out much worse had the University turned it's back on him. Hopefully he realizes this last golden opportunity he has at FSU, takes advantage, and turns his life around.


So the kid gets a scholarship for the sole reason that he can play football well, yet now he keeps the scholarship, despite not playing football for reasons that were completely under his control? I'm not giving a university kudos for that. Let him still go to school, and give him financial aid like you might any other kid if necessary, but he shouldn't get to keep his scholarship.



Its a contract, and simple contract rules apply. Since I just wrote fake essay on contracts I will explain :-B

Parker offers to work for FSU (Play Football) and FSU accepts this offer, but that instead of paying Parker for his work (because they can't, well maybe FSU can :-b ) they will repay him by paying for his school. Parker gets a contract (letter of intent) from FSU and signs it, thus binding both parties to the agreement. Since Parker is still able to play, but FSU is saying no, they have to pay there part of the deal. Its like having your house repainted, but the guy sucks at doing it so you hire someone else. The guy still painted the house and he still worked, it just wasn't up to your standards. If there wasn't something in there about you having to approve the work, then you are still liable to the guy for his work even though he isn't painting it now.

So basically FSU has to hold up there bargain because they are preventing him from playing and not the NCAA.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:08 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:
Metroid wrote:It wouldn't have surprised me if the school had snatched up the scholarship but kudos to them for not. While the kid is obviously troubled, his life would have only turned out much worse had the University turned it's back on him. Hopefully he realizes this last golden opportunity he has at FSU, takes advantage, and turns his life around.


So the kid gets a scholarship for the sole reason that he can play football well, yet now he keeps the scholarship, despite not playing football for reasons that were completely under his control? I'm not giving a university kudos for that. Let him still go to school, and give him financial aid like you might any other kid if necessary, but he shouldn't get to keep his scholarship.



Its a contract, and simple contract rules apply. Since I just wrote fake essay on contracts I will explain :-B

Parker offers to work for FSU (Play Football) and FSU accepts this offer, but that instead of paying Parker for his work (because they can't, well maybe FSU can :-b ) they will repay him by paying for his school. Parker gets a contract (letter of intent) from FSU and signs it, thus binding both parties to the agreement. Since Parker is still able to play, but FSU is saying no, they have to pay there part of the deal. Its like having your house repainted, but the guy sucks at doing it so you hire someone else. The guy still painted the house and he still worked, it just wasn't up to your standards. If there wasn't something in there about you having to approve the work, then you are still liable to the guy for his work even though he isn't painting it now.

So basically FSU has to hold up there bargain because they are preventing him from playing and not the NCAA.


That makes sense, but don't you think there's some out clause for FSU if he turns into a criminal? For example, if your painter starts stealing your stuff, you can probably get out of the contract.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby knapplc » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:22 am

I look at contracts all the time and most of them have an out for "conduct unbecoming." Further, while it may be good faith on FSU's part, there is nothing in that scholarship agreement saying FSU has to keep him on schollie. If they were to go to court on this FSU would have several very solid legs to stand on.

Dee, how sure are you that a scholarship is a contract? I don't recall hearing anything like this, and I would think I would have with all the legal issues surrounding all the players on all the teams around the country. Heck, the Huskers alone have half a legal wing's worth of case law from their scrapes with Lincoln law enforcement.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby deerayfan072 » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:37 am

knapplc wrote:I look at contracts all the time and most of them have an out for "conduct unbecoming." Further, while it may be good faith on FSU's part, there is nothing in that scholarship agreement saying FSU has to keep him on schollie. If they were to go to court on this FSU would have several very solid legs to stand on.

Dee, how sure are you that a scholarship is a contract? I don't recall hearing anything like this, and I would think I would have with all the legal issues surrounding all the players on all the teams around the country. Heck, the Huskers alone have half a legal wing's worth of case law from their scrapes with Lincoln law enforcement.



I am pretty positive it is a contract. You maybe right that they have a release like that in there, which they are just not exercising at the moment. I can tell you though that once they sign those LOI, they have to go to that school and play. If they decide they no longer want to play football, there scholarship will be revoked. If they want to transfer they have to be let out of the scholarship to sign somewhere else, and if they aren't let out they have to go pay their own way somewhere else. Has all the contract principles to me. :-? I bet there is something in there about conduct though and they are just deciding not to execute that portion.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby Metroid » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:24 am

deerayfan072 wrote:I bet there is something in there about conduct though and they are just deciding not to execute that portion.

That's what I'm thinking and again I say good for them. Tossing the kid out of school only amplifies his problems. This young man obviously needs help and an education. Flesh it's easy to say to give him the boot or make him get financial aid if he still wants to go to FSU since he's not playing football anymore....you're in school no Flesh, is financial aid paying your way? Are you at a major university? I have a good sized grant and am at a community college, there's no way I could afford to go to a major university in fact I've taken out a loan for my first term. Schools are in the business of educating and helping people, tossing him out will hardly help him. If they have to decided to continue to help and educate this kid I say good for them, chances are if he had his scholarship revoked he wouldn't get back in school on his own. He's already had problems with guns and drugs, the last thing we need is another gun toting, drug dealer on the streets.

I've always been a "do the crime, so the time" guy with NFL players, but it's hard for me to do the same with college kids. Yeah I know he's probably 18 and technically and adult but he still has a lot of growing up to do. Yeah he lost his privilege to play football but taking away his opportunity to get a high quality education is tough.
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Re: FSU's Parker Dismissed From Team

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:54 pm

Metroid wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:I bet there is something in there about conduct though and they are just deciding not to execute that portion.

That's what I'm thinking and again I say good for them. Tossing the kid out of school only amplifies his problems. This young man obviously needs help and an education. Flesh it's easy to say to give him the boot or make him get financial aid if he still wants to go to FSU since he's not playing football anymore....you're in school no Flesh, is financial aid paying your way? Are you at a major university? I have a good sized grant and am at a community college, there's no way I could afford to go to a major university in fact I've taken out a loan for my first term. Schools are in the business of educating and helping people, tossing him out will hardly help him. If they have to decided to continue to help and educate this kid I say good for them, chances are if he had his scholarship revoked he wouldn't get back in school on his own. He's already had problems with guns and drugs, the last thing we need is another gun toting, drug dealer on the streets.

I've always been a "do the crime, so the time" guy with NFL players, but it's hard for me to do the same with college kids. Yeah I know he's probably 18 and technically and adult but he still has a lot of growing up to do. Yeah he lost his privilege to play football but taking away his opportunity to get a high quality education is tough.


Ok, so in order to go to school you had to get a grant and take out a loan. As far as I know, you've never broken the law or done anything illegal in nature. Now, lets compare you to Parker. He has broken the law and had problems with guns and drugs. He just so happens to be a really good football player as well, although he's no longer allowed to exercise that ability on the FSU team. Why is it fair that you, the upstanding citizen, has to get a loan and then work later on in your life to pay it off, while he, the drug taking, gun toting thug gets to go to school for free because previously, his football ability actually meant something?

I'm fine with the school not kicking him out, but don't let him attend for free. At this point, give him a fresh start, and treat him like any of the other thousands of regular students on campus, all of whom have found a way to pay for their education.
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