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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby mattb47 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:57 am

Pretty big chance throwing out that much guaranteed money in my opinion...although I guess you could easily argue that he's a much better "investment" with that kind of money than a completely unproven guy like Stafford.
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby Kensat30 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:05 pm

mattb47 wrote:Pretty big chance throwing out that much guaranteed money in my opinion...although I guess you could easily argue that he's a much better "investment" with that kind of money than a completely unproven guy like Stafford.


I would rather spend the money on a guy who MIGHT become a franchise QB. I think it's pretty clear at this point that Kansas City gave that money to a guy who has shown that he is not a franchise QB. And based on the way he played in 2008, I don't think it is very likely that Cassel will develop into anything even resembling a franchise QB.
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby mattb47 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:37 pm

I guess we'll see this season but I didn't think he looked that bad last season to the extent you can say that he's "shown" he's not going to be a franchise QB.
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby Kensat30 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:18 pm

mattb47 wrote:I guess we'll see this season but I didn't think he looked that bad last season to the extent you can say that he's "shown" he's not going to be a franchise QB.


You could spot deficiencies in someones game the moment they step on the field. Matt Cassel is a Joey Harrington who grew up in better systems and played with much better talent than Joey ever did. The guy can make the check down pass and he can get through a progression or two before the defense gets to him. He also can't hit a barn door past 20 yards.

The guy is not David Carr at least, but his pocket presence and ability to read defenses is pretty damn poor now as well.
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby steelerfan513 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:28 pm

There's one stat regarding Cassel that I'm intrigued by. In 2007, Tom Brady got sacked 21 times. In 2008, Matt Cassel got sacked 47 times. Did the Pats have erosion of play on their o-line that I don't know about, or was Cassel doing something wrong?
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby TheDiplomats » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:28 pm

Cassel is definitely NOT a franchise QB. I hope KC fans are ready to see the shotgun formation all season long again because Cassel was awful when he lined up right under center. I think he will be alright out in KC under Todd Haley, but don't expect him to put up numbers similar to what he did in NE. They don't have near as much talent at the skill positions and they probably wont use Cassel as good as Belichick did. I was never that impressed with Cassel talent-wise, but he did improve drastically as the season wore on. I remember one game in particular in which he threw one of the best passes I have ever seen for a TD. Sadly, I don't remember who it was against.
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby Kensat30 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:29 pm

steelerfan513 wrote:There's one stat regarding Cassel that I'm intrigued by. In 2007, Tom Brady got sacked 21 times. In 2008, Matt Cassel got sacked 47 times. Did the Pats have erosion of play on their o-line that I don't know about, or was Cassel doing something wrong?


I think it is more a combination of Cassel's inexperience and his poor pocket presence that led to all those sacks. I've researched this before in another thread, but Tom Brady when he was a first time starter coming in got sacked 41 times. Brady has developed into one of the best in the pocket QBs in the league at this point, but the question is Can Matt Cassel get there? It's a little hazy thinking back to when Tom Brady first came in, but I'm under the impression that a lot of his sacks came from standing in the pocket a little too long or his o-line letting people through.

I don't think either of those things factored into most of Matt Cassel's sacks though. Cassel was just plain bad in the pocket last year. Maybe not at the David Carr deer in the headlights level, but still pretty bad. Often times this guy would force check down throws to Wes Welker because he didn't want to risk the rush getting to him (Harrington). I think a lot of people who value Matt Cassel's talent and potential look to his completion percentage and field awareness to quickly get the ball out, but personally I think that was the result of a inexperienced QB reaching for straws. People look at the completion percentage and the progression over the course of the season and start to think "what if this guy gets another couple years", but personally I think those people are missing the overthrows to Randy Moss wide open down the field, and the 15 yards Cassel gave up on to complete all those 8 yarders to Wes Welker.

A lot of Matt Cassel's sack were the result of his poor footwork in the pocket. Guy would run right up into his lineman or right into a defender a lot of times. A QB can get put into those types of situations due to a bad o-line, but the good QBs actually dodge those players, roll outside, or step up to complete their throws (IE Cutler, Big Ben). The great QBs simply pull a matador on them and barely even have to move to buy the extra second or two (Brady, Brees). Cassel had a tendency to do the worst possible thing when the rush got within a couple yards of him: he would drop his head and tuck the ball. You'd like to say that a lot of this goes back to Matt Cassel's inexperience, but at the same time the guy has been in the same system learning for years now. Those types of habits can be extremely hard to break and we see a lot of NFL QBs wash out of the league that can't pickup how to handle a rush and then stick in the pocket to read their progressions and take a hit making the right throw.

New England had a very good all around team last year. Randy Moss was constantly doubled with a deep second and on the rare times Randy Moss wasn't doubled they had an over/under on Wes Welker in the middle of the field. Matt Cassel on the majority of those times couldn't hit the wide open Randy Moss down the field. That should have been his money play all season long, but he really only used Randy Moss effectively in one single game and a lot of that was Randy Moss doing his thing after the catch. The New England running game was so poor last season that defensive teams never had to put 8 in the box, but simply dared Cassel to beat them. Most weeks he just couldn't do it. Matt Cassel was the reason New England won 11 games instead of the 13 or 14 that they should have. A good QB helps you win extra games. An average QB won't cost you games. A below average QB is going to keep you out of the playoffs.
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby jbel1021 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:12 pm

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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby Free Bagel » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:00 pm

Kensat30 wrote:but personally I think those people are missing the overthrows to Randy Moss wide open down the field


This drove me nuts as a Moss owner last year. The guy has no touch, and no accuracy when throwing the ball further than 10 yards downfield.

I'm not talking average accuracy downfield, I'm talking very very bad. Even in his big 400+ yard game against the Jets he never completed a pass that went more than 15 yards in the air. The two longest plays of the game were screen passes.
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Re: QB Matt Cassel traded to Kansas City

Postby Kensat30 » Fri May 01, 2009 12:42 am

Free Bagel wrote:
Kensat30 wrote:but personally I think those people are missing the overthrows to Randy Moss wide open down the field


This drove me nuts as a Moss owner last year. The guy has no touch, and no accuracy when throwing the ball further than 10 yards downfield.

I'm not talking average accuracy downfield, I'm talking very very bad. Even in his big 400+ yard game against the Jets he never completed a pass that went more than 15 yards in the air. The two longest plays of the game were screen passes.


In one league, I remember I was down to Moss as my last player and needed 10 points out of the guy. I think it was relatively early in the game and Moss shoots past his defender by 15 yards down the field... and Cassel overthrew him by 10 yards. Forget being a Randy Moss owner, that made me sick to my stomach as a fan of the NFL. I'll say it once again, Bill Belicheck proved that he truly is the mastermind behind that organization when he was able to squeeze a high 2nd out of Pioli for that guy. Cassel may be able to develop into a passable starting QB one day, but right now the guy is a borderline scrub. I wouldn't be surprised if Cassel was one more bad throw away from getting benched for the rookie O'Connell early in the season.
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