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Postby bounce » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:33 am

Hey all -

A friend and I are setting up our first keeper league, and trying to figure out all the rules before we get started. Here are some ideas we have so far. Please tell me if there's a better way to run it, I'll listen to all suggestions.

PPR league, passing TDs count for 6. QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, W/R, K, DEF

1 - Each team can choose a maximum of two keepers, but they can't be the same position. Q. Should teams be forced to keep two? If a team chooses to keep only one, where do they draft next year?

2. Consolation bracket winner has first pick - consolation runner up has second pick. 3-10 are determined by league finish from previous year.

3. Max transactions of 25 or 30 a year.

4. Can keep a player for a maximum of three years. After three years, they go back into FA, regardless of trades.

5. One guy in our league thinks that you shouldn't be able to keep either of your first two round picks. And that any player picked up off of waivers during the year is not eligible as a keeper for next year. I don't like either of these rules. I think any player should be eligible. Thoughts?


Essentially - just give me the best rules to play under. How do you dictate draft position, keeper rules, subsequent drafts, etc
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Re: Setting up 1st keeper lg - need help on rule establishment

Postby flotsamnjetsam » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:47 am

bounce wrote:Hey all -

A friend and I are setting up our first keeper league, and trying to figure out all the rules before we get started. Here are some ideas we have so far. Please tell me if there's a better way to run it, I'll listen to all suggestions.

PPR league, passing TDs count for 6. QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, W/R, K, DEF

1 - Each team can choose a maximum of two keepers, but they can't be the same position. Q. Should teams be forced to keep two? If a team chooses to keep only one, where do they draft next year?

2. Consolation bracket winner has first pick - consolation runner up has second pick. 3-10 are determined by league finish from previous year.

3. Max transactions of 25 or 30 a year.

4. Can keep a player for a maximum of three years. After three years, they go back into FA, regardless of trades.

5. One guy in our league thinks that you shouldn't be able to keep either of your first two round picks. And that any player picked up off of waivers during the year is not eligible as a keeper for next year. I don't like either of these rules. I think any player should be eligible. Thoughts?


Essentially - just give me the best rules to play under. How do you dictate draft position, keeper rules, subsequent drafts, etc



IMO there isn't any "best rules" to play under. There are many ways to run a keeper league. You just have to pick what you and the league like best. I'll try to answer some of your questions though.

1. Some keeper leagues force you to keep a certain # of players, some don't. I've played in both types. If you want to not force owners to keep 2...check out the rules & settings of the False Start Fantasy Football League.

I think the way the rule is stated is a little confusing so PM me if you have any questions. Basically we can keep up to 3 players. Think of these 3 players as the 1st 3 rounds of the draft. To make this example easy, let's say that everyone keeps 3 except 2 owners don't keep anyone. We'll call these 2 owners A & B. Let's say that owner A has the number 1 pick & owner B has the number 10 pick. We would have a 3 round supplemental draft so that these 2 owners can get their rosters up to 3 (like everyone else). We do these supplemental rounds NFL style (1-10, 1-10, 1-10), not serpentine style. So the 1st round would be owner A then owner B. The 2nd round would be owner A then owner B. The 3rd round would be owner A then owner B. Now everyone has 3 players and the actual serpentine style draft starts in what is technically the 4th round.

Post or PM me if I confused you at all! :-S


2. Sounds good.

3. I am 100% against setting a maximum # of moves in any league. But that's me. If you guys want to do that...feel free. I just don't see the point. If someone wants to make a ton of moves every week, fine. I think limiting the # of moves could cause major problems towards the end of the season when a player gets injured & the owner is out of moves. I understand the reasons why some leagues do this, I just don't agree.

4. Sounds good. I don't like limiting the # of years, but I know plenty of leagues do something similar.

5. I'm with you on this one.



As long as all the owners are on the same page, the rules that you come up with will be the "best rules" for your league. Then you can always tweek things in future years. I hope that helps a little. Good luck! ;-D
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Re: Setting up 1st keeper lg - need help on rule establishment

Postby dream_017 » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:31 am

I agree with FNJ - not surprising

Especially about not limiting the number of transactions - I do not like this at all. Also, there is no best set of universal rules. Every league has its pros and cons, that is why we play and why some are in a number of leagues. Each of the leagues I play in have a different set of rules, some that have attracted me to them and some that I am not very fond of, but like the differences. Some rules have grown on me over time, too ;-D
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Re: Setting up 1st keeper lg - need help on rule establishment

Postby diggers31 » Fri May 15, 2009 11:42 pm

I am commish of my league for the last 5 years. I have only had one change in people playing in my league in that time, so I guess the rules we use are pretty fun. With that said, here is how we do it:
We have 3 keepers(you can choose 0-3). If you want to keep a person that you drafted in 08 in the 5th round you can do that for a 4th round pick in 09. Essentially you lose the draft pick previous to what he was drafted. Max of 3 years for a person to be kept. There are other fine detail rules but I can e-mail those to you if you want more.

As for the draft order. We take a spin of the Basketball draft. The place you finish in equates to the number of picks in a hat. i.e.10th gets 10 and 9 gets 9 and 1 gets 1. When your name is pulled out of the hat, you choose your draft position. This adds alot of strategy to it than blind luck or computer generated draft order(although this is how we did it for year 1). This year, the first name pulled out of the hat was last years 5th place finisher and he chose to go 4th in the draft. Just goes to show how everyone's opinion is different.

I hope this spawns more ideas for you guys. Like I said, if you want more advice, shoot me a message.
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Re: Setting up 1st keeper lg - need help on rule establishment

Postby chk57 » Fri May 29, 2009 10:39 am

I agree about the top couple of picks. If you ever lose someone...and need to bring in a new team owner...who wants to really play if all the top drafted players that normally would be picked in the first couple rounds are gone? Maybe gone for three years?

We allow 0-3 keepers and you're not forced to keep any.

We actually make the owner give up a draft pick TWO spots over the spot the keeper was drafted last year. So drafted in 2008 at 7, you lose pick 5 to keep.

For Free Agents picked up off the wire, I assign an automatic draft designation of 12. I may be changing that this year to a lower one, but at this point, if you grabbed someone off free agency last year, you'll be losing pick 10 this year.

Good luck...I love the keep league.
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Re: Setting up 1st keeper lg - need help on rule establishment

Postby kingfisch » Sat May 30, 2009 6:03 pm

chk57 wrote:I agree about the top couple of picks. If you ever lose someone...and need to bring in a new team owner...who wants to really play if all the top drafted players that normally would be picked in the first couple rounds are gone? Maybe gone for three years?

We allow 0-3 keepers and you're not forced to keep any.

We actually make the owner give up a draft pick TWO spots over the spot the keeper was drafted last year. So drafted in 2008 at 7, you lose pick 5 to keep.

For Free Agents picked up off the wire, I assign an automatic draft designation of 12. I may be changing that this year to a lower one, but at this point, if you grabbed someone off free agency last year, you'll be losing pick 10 this year.

Good luck...I love the keep league.


I TRY TO GET AWAY FROM THE TOP PLAYERS BEING GONE EVERY YEAR IN MY LEAGUE TOO. HOW I DO THIS IS BY HAVING 3 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF KEEPERS. WE HAVE STAR KEEPERS- WORTH A 1ST ROUND PICK, ROOKIE KEEEPERS- WORTH A 4TH ROUND PICK/OR ROOKIE DRAFT PICK, AND SLEEPER KEEPERS- WORTH THE SAME ROUND THEY WERE DRAFTED IN, ABOVE ROUND 10. MAKES LATE ROUND DRAFTING WORTH MORE THAN FINDING A GEM FOR A YEAR. YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE LOW RISK- POTENTIALLY HIGH REWARD PLAYERS IN THESE LATE ROUNDS AND THEY CAN DEVELOP ON YOUR ROSTER. I PICKED UP BRANDON MARSHALL A COUPLE YEARS AGO FOR A 12TH ROUNDER, NOW FOR 3 SEASONS I HAVE THIS STUD AND LOSE MY 12TH PICK IN THE DRAFT.
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Re: Setting up 1st keeper lg - need help on rule establishment

Postby spodog » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:33 pm

kingfisch wrote:
I TRY TO GET AWAY FROM THE TOP PLAYERS BEING GONE EVERY YEAR IN MY LEAGUE TOO. HOW I DO THIS IS BY HAVING 3 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF KEEPERS. WE HAVE STAR KEEPERS- WORTH A 1ST ROUND PICK, ROOKIE KEEEPERS- WORTH A 4TH ROUND PICK/OR ROOKIE DRAFT PICK, AND SLEEPER KEEPERS- WORTH THE SAME ROUND THEY WERE DRAFTED IN, ABOVE ROUND 10. MAKES LATE ROUND DRAFTING WORTH MORE THAN FINDING A GEM FOR A YEAR. YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE LOW RISK- POTENTIALLY HIGH REWARD PLAYERS IN THESE LATE ROUNDS AND THEY CAN DEVELOP ON YOUR ROSTER. I PICKED UP BRANDON MARSHALL A COUPLE YEARS AGO FOR A 12TH ROUNDER, NOW FOR 3 SEASONS I HAVE THIS STUD AND LOSE MY 12TH PICK IN THE DRAFT.


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Re: Setting up 1st keeper lg - need help on rule establishment

Postby Chibears » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:45 pm

Hey all,

Too each their own but this might be a great time to think about an auction league as long as you are going with keepers. What we do in our league....

We are allotted 150 "points" to bid on players at the auction. Owners take turns throwing out player names and other owners bid on them if they are interested and have the points to bid. Before the next season, owners areallowed to keep 4 of the 12 players that our roster maxxes at. We can keep players for 2 years after the initial purchase but need to give the player a 5 or 10 point raise, depending on if you want to keep him for 1 or 2 more years. After the "third" year, should you decide to keep a player that long, too bad, he goes back in the player pool, available to be bid on by all other owners. Example.....This year, I decide to purchase Matt Forte for, say, 46 points. If I want to keep him next year, it would subtract 51 points from my initial 150 points to bid with and he would occupy a roster spot. If I wanted him for two more years, it would cost me 56. After that, he would need to go back in pool. Our league has been an auction league since 1989 and would have it no other way. Much more rewarding getting players you really want if you have the points to bid......you dont have to see the player you absolutely can't live without go one pick before you in a draft. This is all jsut my opinion...try it, you'll never go back! :)

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