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Postby Art Vandelay » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:08 am

I'm saying that I think the US--and the rest of the UN Security Council--have a lot of gall telling another country that they can't test and improve their military capabilities. Do I think North Korea have a strong military is a good thing for regional and world security? Of course not. But then, that can be said about just about every country in the world. And the last time I checked North Korea hadn't, you know, started any preemptive wars lately. Basically, I don't think any nation with a military of its own has the right to tell another nation what they can and can't do with their's.
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby stomperrob » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:21 am

Art Vandelay wrote:It cracks me up when some countries try to tell other countries that they have to stop military testing, or stop working toward developing certain technologies, like nukes. If I ran North Korea, I'd be testing missiles daily.


If I ran North Korea I'd be more concerned with feeding my people and bringing my country out of the dark ages.
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Postby Guru13 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:40 am

Art Vandelay wrote:I'm saying that I think the US--and the rest of the UN Security Council--have a lot of gall telling another country that they can't test and improve their military capabilities. Do I think North Korea have a strong military is a good thing for regional and world security? Of course not. But then, that can be said about just about every country in the world. And the last time I checked North Korea hadn't, you know, started any preemptive wars lately. Basically, I don't think any nation with a military of its own has the right to tell another nation what they can and can't do with their's.

We're America, we want to be the most powerful nation in the world and we don't want any threats, so we tell people what to do - sometimes we do it through the U.N., either way it makes perfect sense. North Korea hates us so we don't want them to attain the ability to hit us with a nuclear warhead.
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby Matthias » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:26 pm

stomperrob wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:It cracks me up when some countries try to tell other countries that they have to stop military testing, or stop working toward developing certain technologies, like nukes. If I ran North Korea, I'd be testing missiles daily.

If I ran North Korea I'd be more concerned with feeding my people and bringing my country out of the dark ages.

I'm sure Europe feels the same way about the US.

In any case, North Korea basically uses its military testing to get these things. They screw around with nuclear reactors for a few months or a couple of years and then they leverage the promise to stop doing so to get economic aid. As crazy of things as you hear coming out of North Korea, it's not like they've ever really started anything since they've been partitioned.
North Korea hates us so we don't want them to attain the ability to hit us with a nuclear warhead.

Well, I don't want anyone to really have the ability to hit us with a nuclear warhead, but I haven't seen much in the way of proof that North Korea hates us. Is Kim Jong Il crazy? Probably. Is he an ego-maniac? All signs point to yes. Has he taken a systematic effort to undermine US interests? Only in the South Park movie.
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby Guru13 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:35 pm

Matthias wrote:
stomperrob wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:It cracks me up when some countries try to tell other countries that they have to stop military testing, or stop working toward developing certain technologies, like nukes. If I ran North Korea, I'd be testing missiles daily.

If I ran North Korea I'd be more concerned with feeding my people and bringing my country out of the dark ages.

I'm sure Europe feels the same way about the US.

In any case, North Korea basically uses its military testing to get these things. They screw around with nuclear reactors for a few months or a couple of years and then they leverage the promise to stop doing so to get economic aid. As crazy of things as you hear coming out of North Korea, it's not like they've ever really started anything since they've been partitioned.
North Korea hates us so we don't want them to attain the ability to hit us with a nuclear warhead.

Well, I don't want anyone to really have the ability to hit us with a nuclear warhead, but I haven't seen much in the way of proof that North Korea hates us. Is Kim Jong Il crazy? Probably. Is he an ego-maniac? All signs point to yes. Has he taken a systematic effort to undermine US interests? Only in the South Park movie.

well agreed, I'd rather not anyone have the ability to hit us with a nuclear warhead - but especially a crazy ego-maniac that really, come on - probably hates us.
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby scottaa1 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:42 pm

So... was there a satellite actually deployed, as they claimed and Russia agreed with, or no satellite, as NORAD said?
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby knapplc » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:06 pm

It was most likely a ballistic missile test, and the "satellite launch" was the cover. They have no need of satellites in N. Korea. Any satellite data they need they can get from the Russians. What they're doing is marketing a ballistic missile that can deliver payloads from Iran to Israel. If it could get from N. Korea to the U.S. all the better, but that's not specifically what they want.
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby Art Vandelay » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:38 pm

scottaa1 wrote:So... was there a satellite actually deployed, as they claimed and Russia agreed with, or no satellite, as NORAD said?

Here's a photo of the actual launch. I doubt a satellite was deployed.
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby scottaa1 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:47 pm

That looks like they launched it out of a bong attached to a blender. As for the rest of the pic, it sorta reminds me of my sex life. O:-)

But seriously, Japan has AEGIS destroyers with the proper intercept missiles, the US is keeping Tico's/Burkes on hand, it'll all simmer down. They tested a missile, big deal. A sovereign nation can do that. The big question is will they be responsible with them or not.
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Re: North Korea launches missle

Postby stomperrob » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:20 pm

Matthias wrote:
stomperrob wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:It cracks me up when some countries try to tell other countries that they have to stop military testing, or stop working toward developing certain technologies, like nukes. If I ran North Korea, I'd be testing missiles daily.

If I ran North Korea I'd be more concerned with feeding my people and bringing my country out of the dark ages.

I'm sure Europe feels the same way about the US.

In any case, North Korea basically uses its military testing to get these things. They screw around with nuclear reactors for a few months or a couple of years and then they leverage the promise to stop doing so to get economic aid. As crazy of things as you hear coming out of North Korea, it's not like they've ever really started anything since they've been partitioned.


That's true, but the nuke scare is a recent phenom, whereas the people of North Korea have been living in abject poverty for decades, often without basic necessities. Their living conditions are abysmal, especially when compared to South Korea. And, as with most communist regimes, no one is allowed to leave (what was it JFK said about democracy not being perfect, but at least we don't build walls to keep our pepole in).
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