Keeper- CJ3 and #3 pick for Fitz and R. Brown (WHIR)

[Humpback]

I’ve been trying to deal for a stud WR for quite a while. A little info- 14-team league, standard (non-ppr) scoring, start 2 RBs and 3 WRs (no flex). I have MJD, CJ3, Westy and Bradshaw at RB and TO, Driver, Gage and Curtis at WR. My team is pretty good overall (also have Peyton, Witten, etc.), so I’m playing for both right now and the future. I also own the #3 rookie pick via trade. Right now, I have to keep 1 of MJD, Westy and CJ3 on the bench each week, while starting very questionable WRs.

The Fitz and AJ owners have both said that CJ3 for them straight up is pretty fair, but it would hurt their WRs too much, and they don’t have a huge need at RB. I have a deal in place to get Roy Williams and the #15 overall pick for my #3 overall pick. I think it’s okay value, but I’m not the biggest Roy fan. However, I went back to the Fitz owner and made an offer, and he countered with Fitz and R. Brown for CJ3, Roy, and Gage. So, I’d basically be trading CJ3, Gage and the #3 overall for Fitz, R. Brown, and the #15. There is also a possibility of dealing the #3 and Gage for Wayne, Boldin, or Colston, but that’s only if Wells doesn’t go #2. I can trade CJ3 straight up for either Wayne or Boldin right now.

Basically, which team do you prefer:

Team 1- current team and pick Crabtree- start 2 out of MJD, Westy, and CJ3 and 3 out of TO, Driver, Crabtree, Gage and Curtis. Could also draft Brown, McCoy, or Greene, but WR is a much bigger need. I’d have to hope the rookie RB hits and I could make a deal later for a WR, easier said than done.

Team 2- make the deal for Roy- start 2 out of MJD, Westy and CJ3, and TO, Roy, and Driver (Curtis and Gage on bench). Probably get a guy like J. Morgan, E. Bennett, Britt, Robiskie, etc. with the #15.

Team 3- make both deals- start MJD and Westy/Brown, and Fitz, TO, Driver with Curtis on bench. Probably get a guy like J. Morgan, E. Bennett, Britt, Robiskie, etc. with the #15.

Team 4- trade CJ3 for Wayne or Boldin straight up- start MJD and Westy, have Bradshaw and rookie RB on bench, start Wayne/Boldin, TO, Driver. Could also take Crabtree at #3 still, but that would leave me thin at RB.

I really like the idea of grabbing a stud like Fitz, not sure how I feel about the Westy/Brown combo. I think this certainly helps me short term, and Fitz should be a stud for a long time, but not sure if my RBs take too big of a hit. I’m leaning towards making them both.

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[glackk]

I wouldn't count on Westy being productive for you for more than this year. I think he'll still be a stud as long as he can stay healthy this year, but Philadelphia's drafting of McCoy isn't good news for Westy. Trade him while his value is still pretty high.

The best scenario would be to deal the #3 and Gage for Wayne/Boldin/Colston, then trade Westy/mid-tier WR for a mid-top tier WR/mid-tier WR. Something like Westy/Curtis for Bowe/FWP, if you can get it.

The original trade is pretty fair, but I don't like how it leaves your team, especially depth at RB.

Team 3 looks ok, but I'd make sure to grab McCoy if for some reason he's still there at #15.

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Yeah, the reason I didn't really mention trading Westy as an option is because it really isn't one. His value is pretty low right now in a keeper league, I'd be better off holding onto him. If he gets off to a good start, his value will increase, but it still won't be very high because of his age. I'll never be able to get fair value for him, I've tried.

It's pretty hard to pull of deals in this league- it's 14 teams, plus we start 3 WRs, so it's deep. If a team has a top 10 stud, they tend to hold onto them with a death grip.

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Any other opinions? Which team would you prefer (starters in bold, Westy/CJ3 starter is a toss up):

Team 1
RB: MJD, CJ3 Westy, Bradshaw
WR: TO, Driver, Crabtree Gage, Curtis

Team 2
RB: MJD, CJ3 Westy, Bradshaw
WR: TO, Roy W., Driver Gage, Curtis, J. Morgan/Robiskie, etc.

Team 3
RB: MJD, Westy Ronnie Brown, Bradshaw
WR: Fitz, TO, Driver Gage, Curtis, J. Morgan/Robiskie, etc.

Team 4
RB: MJD, Westy Donald Brown/S. Greene, Bradshaw
WR: TO, Wayne/Boldin, Driver Gage, Curtis

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[packers140]

I would go with Team 4 becaue you get your WR and it still leaves you with 2 good RBS. And youll still be able to get a stud RB in the Draft. I would rather get a backup RB rather than having to get a WR who needs to get you 1000 and 10. Go with trading for Wayne/Bolding.

[glackk]

I would go with Team 4 becaue you get your WR and it still leaves you with 2 good RBS. And youll still be able to get a stud RB in the Draft. I would rather get a backup RB rather than having to get a WR who needs to get you 1000 and 10. Go with trading for Wayne/Bolding.

I like team 4 as well except for the fact that when Westy gets injured, you don't have a reliable RB2. With your #3 pick, I'd take whoever is left of Moreno, Wells, and McCoy. Moreno and Wells should produce right away, and McCoy will produce if Westy goes down. I'd be perfectly comfortable with team 4, swapping out McCoy for Donald Brown.

I think you can get more out of the CJ3 for Wayne/Boldin trade. What are your other needs and do you see any spots where you could upgrade? At the very least make a stab at upgrading your DEF if the other guy has one in the top 5.

[Humpback]

True, I could take McCoy with the #3 pick as well. I'm not sold that he can step right in and take over where Westbrook leaves off. It would be nice to have the handcuff, but I don't put a ton of weight on that myself- if I think Brown or Greene is the better ff option, I'd take them regardless of the fact that I have Westy. Not sure which of the 3 I prefer though. I could take Crabtree as well there, but then I'd only have Bradshaw as a #3, too risky.

I don't know, I keep going back to team 3- the difference between teams 3 and 4 is basically Fitz and R. Brown vs. Wayne/Boldin and D. Brown/Greene/McCoy. I like Fitz quite a bit more in a keeper over Wayne and Boldin, and I think Ronnie is fairly even with those rookie RBs right now. Plus, I get the J. Morgan/Robiskie type WR prospect with the #15 pick in that scenario.

Do you guys like the 2nd tier rookies like Brown, McCoy and Greene that much more than Ronnie Brown? I know he's getting up there in age, but I think he has a better chance at being a solid #2 (with upside) for the next 2-4 years than an unproven rookie. He should be fully recovered from his ACL now too. Those guys are more boom/bust IMO.

Won't be able to add much in the CJ3 for Wayne/Boldin trade, pretty much straight up.

[captainmorganjosh]

with this being a keeper league, I'd go with team 2. I really like CJ3. He should be a pillar to your offense for years to come. I'm not a huge Roy fan either, but I think the will be better than people are giving him credit for.

or go with team 1. I'm sure crabtree will be a stud, but how many years will it take for him to reach his full potential?

I'd be happy with either team.

[glackk]

True, I could take McCoy with the #3 pick as well. I'm not sold that he can step right in and take over where Westbrook leaves off. It would be nice to have the handcuff, but I don't put a ton of weight on that myself- if I think Brown or Greene is the better ff option, I'd take them regardless of the fact that I have Westy. Not sure which of the 3 I prefer though. I could take Crabtree as well there, but then I'd only have Bradshaw as a #3, too risky.

I don't know, I keep going back to team 3- the difference between teams 3 and 4 is basically Fitz and R. Brown vs. Wayne/Boldin and D. Brown/Greene/McCoy. I like Fitz quite a bit more in a keeper over Wayne and Boldin, and I think Ronnie is fairly even with those rookie RBs right now. Plus, I get the J. Morgan/Robiskie type WR prospect with the #15 pick in that scenario.

Do you guys like the 2nd tier rookies like Brown, McCoy and Greene that much more than Ronnie Brown? I know he's getting up there in age, but I think he has a better chance at being a solid #2 (with upside) for the next 2-4 years than an unproven rookie. He should be fully recovered from his ACL now too. Those guys are more boom/bust IMO.

Won't be able to add much in the CJ3 for Wayne/Boldin trade, pretty much straight up.

Team 3 looks ok as well, and you do have a backup RB in Ronnie Brown. I'm not as high on Fitz as you though still an upgrade over any other WR. Comparing Fitz to Boldin in the regular season games that they started, they're pretty similar.

Fitz: average 89.4 yards/game, .75 TDs per game
Boldin: average 86.5 yards/game, .92 TDs per game

Of course then Fitz went nuts in the postseason Superbowl run and he is the younger of the two.

[Humpback]

I like Boldin a lot, but that's the problem- you can't just look at his per game numbers, because Boldin is constantly missing games. He was on pace to put up a huge season last year, but he got hurt again. I don't see that changing much either because of his style of play, and as he gets older, it's going to get tougher and tougher to come back from the injuries as quickly and effectively. Plus, he's in a battle with management and could hold out, get traded, or leave via free agency when his contract is up, and odds are he won't end up in as good a situation as he's in now (one of if not the best for a WR) if/when that happens. He's in my top 10, but Fitz is my #1 and in almost every ones top 3.