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Re: Denver RBC

Postby LS2throwed » Sat May 09, 2009 4:22 am

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LS2throwed wrote:I'm not going to argue with you about it, because I'm coming from an unbiased POV and you obviously see everything that Denver does and see it as an amazing move in the right direction for the club who can't do any wrong, that's the way things work as a fan sometime...A year ago you would of probably been jumping at the chance to defend Cutler, and now he's just a "whiny immature QB with a losing record", funny how perceptions change so fast with fans.

And as far as Quinn, this was also in that same scouting report:

Profiles as a prototypical #2 tight end and a blocking specialist at the next level but should really excel in that role.

Does that sound like a 2nd rounder to you? What you fail to realize is that he would of been there at your 3rd rounder anyway, yet you traded away a valuable commodity in another 3rd round pick to grab him...Sorry if I see taking a RB at #12 and a blocking #2 two TE selected in the 2nd round that cost two 3rd rounders as a terrible start, but I'm not surprised that your in love with the pick.

I don't give them an F for the draft, I also don't think every move was terrible, but there have been numerous questionable moves up to this point and all of them cannot be defended...And the guy who is in control of whether or not he keeps his job is already sounding skeptical, vs 100% confident in the direction of the team...He may not be a personnel guy, but he's in control of how long McDaniels has a job, if they end up picking top 10 next year that leash is going to be incredibly short.

Unless you win 7-9 games trading your 1st rounder is going to look even worse...I can only imagine if it ends up being a top 5 and Alphonso Smith turns out to be average, and the Bears pick is in the low 20's.

What kind of a comment is that? That I fail to realise Quinn would definitely have been there in the third round. You keep making absurd statements as if they were true. You said he was definitely going to be undrafted a few posts ago, and now after pointing out he had a 2nd or 3rd round grade, you are saying that he would definitely be there in the middle of the third. Maybe he would, but maybe he wouldnt, but to say you know he would be available is just plain dumb - I am sick of pointing out the inaccuracies in all you comments/arguments in every post. You are a complete waste of time to argue with, because there is no substance behind anything you say. You say I am a homer for pointing out a logical reason behind each of McDaniels moves (whether I believe they were right or not is besides the point), but you are unbiased for talking cr@p about the Broncos with continual arguments based on your perceptions (that have never had the full facts behind them).

It is obvious that you are a FFL fan only and have little knowledge about debating or the NFL, so I will stop wasting my time and leave this thread be.

I usually don't get into debates with fans about their own team when they don't know how to be subjective.

It's all opinions, I have mine and you have your own, but obviously if I felt that Quinn would of been a late round pick then he would HAVE to be there with the 3rd, that's just common sense...Personally I don't think a team with glaring holes through their entire defense needed to spend two 3rd round picks on a #2 TE for blocking purposes.

If you think that's a huge win and victory for your team by all means celebrate away...It's obvious hearing anything negative about your precious Broncos upsets you.
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Re: Denver RBC

Postby iamgregg » Sun May 10, 2009 6:53 am

I agree wiht LS2 to an extent. The draft and free agency moves have smacked off an offensive guy only focusing on his preferred side of the ball and not thinking about the other, which just happened to be a really big need for them.

I'm not sure the Moreno pick was [i]too[i] bad, since Denver have a nice big group of average backs, but I think they'd have been better served drafting a defensive lynchpin than an offensive position where there was value to be had in later rounds.

I'm willing to concede that there may be some kind of multi-year plan though. However, I'm not sure how long that leash is or whether it's been shortened or not.
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Re: Denver RBC

Postby stomperrob » Sat May 16, 2009 3:12 pm

LS2throwed wrote:So McDaniels couldn't even get through the draft without having the owner questioning his moves? How many times have we seen a disciple of Belicheck go on to fail elsewhere?

- Romeo Crennel went 24-40
- Eric Mangini was a failure at NY and looks like he'll follow those footsteps in Cleveland
- Charlie Weiss is breaking all the wrong kinds of records at ND and a few losses away from being fired

Even Nick Saban who coached under him at one point failed miserably in the NFL, what makes you think McDaniels will be different? Just because he's the shiny new toy from under the Belicheck tree who hasn't had his shot yet? These guys leave NE with an arrogance and ego as if they have accomplished something already, and it usually doesn't take long for them to be looking for another job, McDaniels has BY FAR gotten off to a worse start then any of those other guys.

I recall many years ago a disciple of Bill Parcells who failed - his name was Bill Belichick, got canned as head coach of he Browns and people said he was destined to be one of the best Defensive Co-ordinators in the NFL, but he would never be a head coach. So in fairness it may be a little premature to start pruning branches from Belichick's coaching tree just yet.

And hardly fair to call Nick Saban a failure at the NFL level and conveniently leave out the fact he's a huge success at the college level, seeing as you're judging Weiss on his college record.

And as to the Broncos' draft, I wasn't overly high on it, but as the axiom goes, the time to judge a team's draft is not the day after the draft, but rather 3 years after the draft.
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Re: Denver RBC

Postby Kareighuis » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:26 pm

Rising from the dead...
This thread was about Denver's RB committee. Today, I came across this news from the Colorado Springs Gazette-

"Moreno might not become a Terrell Davis-type workhorse right away. The Broncos didn’t draft Moreno 12th overall to sit on the bench, but they also didn’t sign Buckhalter and Jordan to have no role at all...More than the presence of two veterans, McDaniels’ previous use of tailback committees, and his success with that approach, is what might keep Moreno from carrying the ball 20 times per game...Denver has two natural goal-line candidates in Jordan and Peyton Hillis, which might limit Moreno’s stats, and if McDaniels decides to keep his tailbacks fresh by splitting the carries, that will also affect Moreno’s numbers. Anyone drafting Moreno in fantasy football is taking the risk that he’ll have some 12-15 carry days with very little goal-line work."
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Re: Denver RBC

Postby keithty » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:41 pm

I think Hillis has more potential than he's being given credit for at the moment. I think Arrington and Jordan are nothing but downside, at least Hillis has some interesting upside.

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Re: Denver RBC

Postby mattb47 » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:32 am

keithty wrote:I think Hillis has more potential than he's being given credit for at the moment. I think Arrington and Jordan are nothing but downside, at least Hillis has some interesting upside.

Umm...Arrington is not on the Broncos and Jordan isn't even going to be the primary backup...that will be Correll Buckhalter who has always been a pretty solid back. He won't be good enough to steal a ton from Moreno but he'll get a decent amount to take pressure off of him. Hillis will be a FB this year...maybe some short yardage work if Moreno and Buckhalter can't get it done (unlikely).
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