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Re: Frank Gore to be relieved more this year??

Postby Kensat30 » Thu May 21, 2009 7:01 pm

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Kensat30 wrote:I would be wary of dropping a high pick on Glen Coffee in any format considering he may not even be the guy to have. Kory Sheets has some issues, but he made it into the NFL on pure talent. That guy can do some things that Coffee will never be able to do.



I'd be interested in hearing what things Sheets can do that Coffee will never be able to do.



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Re: Frank Gore to be relieved more this year??

Postby TheDiplomats » Thu May 21, 2009 10:39 pm

I would not read into this too much. Coffee is nowhere near as good as Frank Gore and I'd be surprised to see him surpass Michael Robinson on the depth chart for that matter. Coffee doesn't do any one thing that well..the guy is just a completely average RB. He played behind one of the best OLines in the country with the Crimson Tide and put up pedestrian numbers looking very much like a mediocre runner while doing so. I think Kenstat is dead wrong about Kevin Smith, but this is one RB I do agree with him on. ;-D
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Re: Frank Gore to be relieved more this year??

Postby Kensat30 » Fri May 22, 2009 1:03 pm

TheDiplomats wrote:I would not read into this too much. Coffee is nowhere near as good as Frank Gore and I'd be surprised to see him surpass Michael Robinson on the depth chart for that matter. Coffee doesn't do any one thing that well..the guy is just a completely average RB. He played behind one of the best OLines in the country with the Crimson Tide and put up pedestrian numbers looking very much like a mediocre runner while doing so. I think Kenstat is dead wrong about Kevin Smith, but this is one RB I do agree with him on. ;-D


Michael Robinson hasn't shown enough to secure his #2 spot on the depth chart IMO. I think this guy is getting downgraded to special teamer, spot player, and possible wildcat QB if we run that format this year. This is the type of guy you put at your #3 RB spot and be glad you have a versatile guy there that can fill in at RB in a pinch. The drafting of Coffee pretty much sealed Robinson's fate on this team. If Gore goes down, there's only a very small chance that Robinson is the guy who picks up the slack IMO.
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Re: Frank Gore to be relieved more this year??

Postby LS2throwed » Fri May 22, 2009 4:29 pm

Kensat30 wrote:
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Kensat30 wrote:I would be wary of dropping a high pick on Glen Coffee in any format considering he may not even be the guy to have. Kory Sheets has some issues, but he made it into the NFL on pure talent. That guy can do some things that Coffee will never be able to do.



I'd be interested in hearing what things Sheets can do that Coffee will never be able to do.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7ovs4f7Bs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuFl248N ... re=related



Two plays? Anyone can look good with two plays, but that didn't really answer my question...I like Sheets and haven't crossed him off my list, but I trust the NFL scouts who have been doing this year after year with Coffee going in the 3rd and Sheets going undrafted, I'm not one to put much into draft stock but teams didn't see Sheets as anything but a specialty player or return man.


Coffee may be a back that doesn't do one thing very well, but neither was Tashard Choice, but soon we learn that has little bearing on how much sucess you will have at the next level...Coffee is a great grind it out runner for what Singletary wants to do, he has great vision, tough, falls forward, explosive first step, there were alot of options still available at that time so it should tell you how much they think about him and he's done well with the 2nd team reps he's gotten.


If you just wanted to pick two plays I could make anyone look good doing that...Coffee won't do alot of dancing around and cutting, he's a one cut downhill runner, it's always easy to overlook those guys becaues their highlights aren't flashy but he was taken that high for a reason, and he's far and away ahead of Sheets as far as playing time and the depth chart.


EDIT: found this excerpt in an article

Glen Coffee, RB, San Francisco 49ers: If Coffee was satisfied with the notion he'll serve only as a part-time back behind star Frank Gore, he certainly hasn't looked like it so far. The rugged running that characterized Coffee's breakout junior campaign for the Crimson Tide has been on display, and coach Mike Singletary has already talked about limiting Gore's workload -- which means more touches for Coffee.

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Re: Frank Gore to be relieved more this year??

Postby Kensat30 » Fri May 22, 2009 5:50 pm

Glen Coffee doesn't cut in the open field, he tries to bowl people over. The guy runs with his chin up and in the NFL he is going to get blown up. You don't survive as a RB doing that. All the best RBs in the NFL are elusive and can turn small gains into big gains by making one guy miss. Some guys do that by breaking tackles, but even a beast like Brandon Jacobs when he tries to put his head down, he comes down.

You want a guy who runs forward and moves the chains? Frank Gore does it better than any other player in the league IMO. He doesn't look to initiate contact, but he takes a lot of hard hits simply because he tries to run through tackles instead of juking past them. Show me a Glen Coffee highlight were he makes a guy miss in the open field and maybe I will revise my opinion. I'll honestly admit that I haven't seen much of the guy, but from I have seen I am not impressed at all.

CBS is under the impression that because Mike Singletary makes one quote about wanting to limit Gore's touches, that there will be some kind of RBBC in San Francisco? And they further want to conjecture that because Coffee is looking good in non-contact OTAs and was drafted in the third round, that he is the guy? I'll evaluate the talent myself when the situations starting getting real thanks. At this point in the season if you go by what you read on articles every single rookie in the league is the next Portis or Randy Moss.

I know the 49ers well enough to say that Frank Gore is the cornerstone of the franchise. Of course they want to limit his touches because if they give him the ball on a 400+ touch pace, the guys get injured and the season is down the tubes. Coffee is insurance for that situation, but I think the front office made a bad call on the guy. We made up for it somewhat by getting a guy like Sheets as an UDFA, but I might rather would have had a guy like Andre Brown or even a Reshad Jennings than Coffee. Coffee was what like the 6th RB off the board in the 3rd round? Based on what I've seen of the guy he rates as a late round prospect. Check marks against him: Guy has one semi-productive year in college, below average measurables and athletic talent, and a questionable running style. What exactly made our front office take this guy so high? I call it a major reach.
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Re: Frank Gore to be relieved more this year??

Postby LS2throwed » Fri May 22, 2009 6:25 pm

Maybe it was a reach, but I'm fairly sure they didn't reach, having other needs, to only consider him a back-up RB who gives Gore a breather...He doesn't have to impress you, but I think he'll get more then a couple carries a game and like Mattb said he's a great value pick in most dynasty rookie drafts.


We'll just wait until they put the pads on to see how good Coffee really is that remains to be seen, but I'm sticking by my original point in that he'll play alot more then you or most people seem to think.
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