Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the Cafe's first rounder dynasty votes! I hope to continue this through (at least) the 2nd round.
Who is the #16 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts? You're voting on who will have the best fantasy football production in the NFL over the next 5 or 6 years, NOT who will have the best year in 2009. Assume standard scoring- 1 point per 10 yards rushing/receiving, and no PPR. Also, please assume that you have a balanced roster and don't have a great specific need for a QB, WR, etc.
Feel free to discuss the pros and cons of these players- this could be helpful for some and generate some good discussion. If you'd like to vote for a player NOT on this list, then please vote "other" and make a post to discuss the player. This will serve as a write-in vote for that player.
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Went Heyward-Bey again. I'm not going to take a guy who doesn't even have a guaranteed roster spot in Scott. He's already 25, got kicked off his high school team and got arrested 5 times in college. I'd take everyone in this poll before Scott.
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steelerfan513 wrote:Went Heyward-Bey again. I'm not going to take a guy who doesn't even have a guaranteed roster spot in Scott. He's already 25, got kicked off his high school team and got arrested 5 times in college. I'd take everyone in this poll before Scott.
You'd rather have Pettigrew and Freeman over a potentially starting RB on a high octane offense? Scott may have a long list of troubles, but he still could potentially take that backfield over sooner then later, that's always valuable in a dynasty...Even with the age concerns, if he starts getting a decent amount of carries he'd probably have more value then all those guys and you could easily trade him for a WR better then DHB.
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steelerfan513 wrote:Went Heyward-Bey again. I'm not going to take a guy who doesn't even have a guaranteed roster spot in Scott. He's already 25, got kicked off his high school team and got arrested 5 times in college. I'd take everyone in this poll before Scott.
You'd rather have Pettigrew and Freeman over a potentially starting RB on a high octane offense? Scott may have a long list of troubles, but he still could potentially take that backfield over sooner then later, that's always valuable in a dynasty...Even with the age concerns, if he starts getting a decent amount of carries he'd probably have more value then all those guys and you could easily trade him for a WR better then DHB.
Scott is a potentially starting running back. And the Pittsburgh Pirates potentially could win the World Series this year. The point is that there are scenarios, and there are most likely scenarios. Most likely, a sixth round pick isn't going to turn into a starter in the NFL, especially a running back. Scott isn't even guaranteed a spot on the Bengals' roster, yet you guys are assuming he has a great shot at not only making the roster but overtaking Brian Leonard, DeDe Dorsey, Kenny Watson, and Cedric Benson to be the starter. The Bengals didn't take him with that specific intention in mind. They're going to rave about his potential during workouts because it gets fans excited and hopeful, but that doesn't guarantee him anything, even a roster spot.
To make another point: last year, two late round running backs that went in the first or second round of rookie drafts were Ryan Torain and Mike Hart. The next draft, both their teams took running backs in the first round. Who's to say the Bengals won't do the same thing? Benson isn't a great starting running back, but Scott may only have one opportunity to overtake him before the Bengals decide to invest a high draft pick in a running back whom they have to give a chance to start. Are you really going to gamble a second round pick on a player who will only be given one chance to establish himself?
And what if Scott does become the starter? That doesn't mean he'll turn into a viable fantasy option. Even if he does, that doesn't mean it'll continue for years to come, especially for a guy with such a troubled history.
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Give me the hometown boy Bernard Scott. He's from North Texas and I've seen him run a 100 times... trust me, he'd the real deal on a bad team. He will get plenty of opportunities to prove himself.
steelerfan513 wrote: Scott is a potentially starting running back. And the Pittsburgh Pirates potentially could win the World Series this year. The point is that there are scenarios, and there are most likely scenarios. Most likely, a sixth round pick isn't going to turn into a starter in the NFL, especially a running back. Scott isn't even guaranteed a spot on the Bengals' roster, yet you guys are assuming he has a great shot at not only making the roster but overtaking Brian Leonard, DeDe Dorsey, Kenny Watson, and Cedric Benson to be the starter. The Bengals didn't take him with that specific intention in mind. They're going to rave about his potential during workouts because it gets fans excited and hopeful, but that doesn't guarantee him anything, even a roster spot.
To make another point: last year, two late round running backs that went in the first or second round of rookie drafts were Ryan Torain and Mike Hart. The next draft, both their teams took running backs in the first round. Who's to say the Bengals won't do the same thing? Benson isn't a great starting running back, but Scott may only have one opportunity to overtake him before the Bengals decide to invest a high draft pick in a running back whom they have to give a chance to start. Are you really going to gamble a second round pick on a player who will only be given one chance to establish himself?
And what if Scott does become the starter? That doesn't mean he'll turn into a viable fantasy option. Even if he does, that doesn't mean it'll continue for years to come, especially for a guy with such a troubled history.
You have to look at a players situation that he is drafted into you just simply cannot ignore it, your correlation with the Pirates winning the world series is an extreme one and is hardly a good comparison, maybe if I said Scott could be a starter on the Panthers then yes.
Naming guys like Leonard, Dorsey, Watson, and Benson is only making a case for why Scott should easily be able to crack the starting line-up, unless your under the impression that any one of those guys is any good?
It's easy to make a comparison and say look at Torain & Hart even though those are the worst comparisons to make that help your argument...What about Tashard Choice? He was the 3rd option in line behind two RB's who were both under 27 years old yet he was one of the top RB's during the fantasy playoffs and now he looks like a keeper, if you drafted Hightower last year and sold high on him when his hype was at an all-time high you could of easily gotten a slumping stud at the same time.
You point out all the negatives but fail to mention any of the positives of if you end up with a starting Rb...Your right maybe it's not a guarantee he's any good once he starts, but correct me if I'm wrong but there is no guarantee that ANY rookie will be worth anything once they start, and that includes the early picks Wells, Moreno, and Crabtree...This is all a risk and a crapshoot, but there are lots of positives with taking someone like Scott in the 2nd you fail to overlook.
Getting a talented RB, on a team that is lacking a RB with any talent, especially not having any backs with the skill set that Scott provides(quickness, burst, pass catching ability, vision) means he'll have a chance to get his production...Have you ever seen Dede Dorsey, Watson, or Leonard play? There is no reason even mentioning those players at all, all of them would be cut on a team that had any sort of talent, and you don't keep these roster fluff players another year knowing there is no potential there and cut losses with your 6th round draft pick the same year you take him.
You have to look at what's valuable, your talking about taking a TE and an overrated QB over Scott, even if you wanted to go the WR route, look around at the FA pool in most of your dynasties this off-season and youll see alot of these names:
Earl Bennett Laurent Robinson Pierre Garcon Chaz Schilens Mike Walker Andre Caldwell Brent Celek
I could go on and on, the point is that you can always find some young potential WR's waiting to break out, that's easy...TE's are easier to find, Pettigrew isn't even supposed to be the most lethal fantasy TE when you consider he's probably like drafting another Ben Watson, but how many RB's are available in your Free Agency that have potential to start?
I'd venture there is none, so the value for me getting a potentially starting Rb trumps that of a blocking TE and a raw QB who is a long way from fantasy relevance...You have to look at every pick and look at the pro's and con's of each, the pro's of Scott trumps that of those two players by far and it's not even close, even if your not a fan of him there is no argument that Cincy has no talent in the backfield and the skills he has none of the other roster plays have.
I seem to remember Chris Johnson getting hype through mini camps and OTA's, but that was probably just them trying to get fans excited I guess.
Nobody is talking about long term here, I'm talking value...I can take Scott in the 2nd, and if your worried about him long term move him in the off-season or after a few years, you don't have to keep a guy for the length of his career, but I fail to see how a TE is going to potentially improve your team more then Scott could...Some of it is about what he can do as a runner, and some if it is Benson being a slow, terrible, overrated runner with nobody else in the backfield with a chance to be a fantasy producer.
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by Kareighuis » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:46 am 
