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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby exp » Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:14 pm

CBMGreatOne wrote:
Another trick (which may be fixed by now) was to put EVERY kicker or defense on your excluded list. When the 8th round comes around, you have filled all other starting spots, and it will be unable to fill the K/DEF spots, so it will draft your highest ranked player (usually the ~#25 RB or ~#36 WR or even #13 QB) two rounds before anyone else can draft a backup. This allows you to get top backups... and after the draft is over, you could pick up a K/Def off the waiver wire.


Lol, that reminds me that last year a guy in my league couldn't make the draft so he excluded every kicker. Unfortunately, after he set his rankings Yahoo added another kicker to their player pool so in the 9th round he drafted Shane Andrus, kickoff specialist for Indy. We were all like "who the eff is Shane Andrus?"

Oh well it was funny at the time ha.
LOL...yeah, you really need to check right before the draft to make sure nobody else has been added (not to mention set the page to view ALL kickers, not just the default top 25).

As for the bug being discussed here...I've excluded all kickers for years now with no trouble. One thing that can trigger the bug in question, though, is if you don't pre-rank enough players. It may have changed this year as I have yet to test it out, but in the past you had to rank enough players to cover the draft size or you'd be hit with the bug. That is, if you're in a 10-team league with 16-round draft you need to pre-rank at least 160 (i.e. 10 times 16) players. Of course you'll never come close to drafting the last few dozen of those players, but pre-rank them anyway.

The exclude kickers method works so well I'm thinking about doing the same for defenses this year and playing match-ups the rest of the way. The position players you autopick when other teams are taking their D's and K's are pretty solid players. It's a gigantic depth advantage.
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby RSersen » Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:57 pm

exp wrote:As for the bug being discussed here...I've excluded all kickers for years now with no trouble. One thing that can trigger the bug in question, though, is if you don't pre-rank enough players. It may have changed this year as I have yet to test it out, but in the past you had to rank enough players to cover the draft size or you'd be hit with the bug. That is, if you're in a 10-team league with 16-round draft you need to pre-rank at least 160 (i.e. 10 times 16) players. Of course you'll never come close to drafting the last few dozen of those players, but pre-rank them anyway.

The exclude kickers method works so well I'm thinking about doing the same for defenses this year and playing match-ups the rest of the way. The position players you autopick when other teams are taking their D's and K's are pretty solid players. It's a gigantic depth advantage.


Thanks for this. I think this is exactly the problem I've been having. I did only have about 130 players ranked, for a 14 team league with 15 roster spots...about 80 players short. I didn't think much of it at the time - assumed that it would follow my prerankings until all my 130 players were gone, and then just use default rankings the rest of the way. Obviously that isn't the case.

I still have a few days left before my draft takes place - I'll try adding in about 100 more players to the end of the list tomorrow, and see if that fixes things.
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby RSersen » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:24 pm

I still have a few days left before my draft takes place - I'll try adding in about 100 more players to the end of the list tomorrow, and see if that fixes things.


No luck. I increased my rankings to 250 players (a decent cushion over the 210 that would be drafted). Excluded the kickers again, and it went right back to the frustrating "oh, I see you have Jabar Gaffney on the top of your board...how about LenDale White instead?" method. Ended up with 8 RB, and 3 WR, although I did manage to get a backup QB this time.

Best results still come from leaving the kickers in, which is what I'll do. It'll suck having two drafted for me (one in the 9th round), but hey, at least everyone else will be in the same boat...meaning that a lot of decent free agents should be on the wire - I'll just have to make sure I get there before the rest of my owners.
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby Payne Dailey » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:44 pm

Try ranking the exact number of players.
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby exp » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:19 am

Hmm. I'll give it a test today and see if I run into the same bug. Maybe Yahoo changed their programming since last year?
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby tds1273 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:07 am

Fantasy Sports Genie, could you please come back in and weigh in on this?

I'm having the same problem as all the above, it fills out the starters fine, but then runs RB that aren't even on my list, every damn time. Whole bench is RBs, ones not even included in my deeper than neccessary rankings; no back up WR, QBs, Defs, nothing.

Something tells me this still isn't fixed. Oh yeah, it's my rosters after doing the mock drafts. With and without all kickers excluded. This seems to be an unfair advantage to those players that simply don't give a crap and just go with the Yahoo rankings, and screws over those that take the time to rank all their players and include sleepers.

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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby exp » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:51 am

I just tested the autodraft by creating 10 dummy accounts and setting up a fake league. It worked perfectly. Just to clarify, are people only running into the bug in question when use pre-rankings to auto-pick in a LIVE draft (for example, in a mock)? Has anyone actually taken the time to set up a fake league and run an actual AUTOdraft? Because having just done that I can testify that it selected all players for me as intended. My reserves included 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 1 QB, 1 TE, and 1 DEF. No surprises.

It's pretty straightforward, but for the record here is exactly what I did:

Step 1: Go to the pre-rank my players page and use the drop-down box to view ALL kickers (or whatever position you want to exclude). Move all players to the Exclude box on the left side. Save.

Step 2: Move players to your pre-ranking list on the right side as desired until you have enough to cover the entire draft (again, in my league that was 160 players (10 teams x 16 rounds). Save. It shouldn't matter how many you have pre-ranked at each position, but FWIW in my case I listed 30 QBs, 45 RBs, 55 WRs, 20 TEs and 10 DEFs (enough to cover the starters and 1-3 reserves for each position).

It honestly doesn't appear to be a particularly finicky process in my experience. There's no secret step that is easily missed. The above two steps are all I did this time and all I've ever done in the past, and it has never bugged out on me. Hope that helps.

*Disclaimer: exp is not responsible for any crap players you end up glitched with while trying to exploit the auto-pick algorithm for personal gain. If you're not prepared to risk the bug play it safe and draft your kicker like everyone else. Heh.
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby carter » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:46 am

i have a LIVE draft tonight, but can't make it due to unforeseen circumstances.. it pains me to think i'll be getting a kicker and 2 Defenses about 7 rounds early each! (the league starts 2 team defenses) .. i assume i'll be missing out on 3 solid players there..

but hopefully the rest goes well .. i decided to move my 2 top ranked defenses a bit higher up, to ensure getting at least one or both ... and i ranked exactly 1 kicker . i figure if i'm gonna get a kicker so early anyway, might as well get the one i want?? :~(

its a 10 team league, 19 rounds - i ranked exactly 190 players (the K is #190) .. i really hope i don't wind up with any Defenses on my bench .. its a very dedicated league, i'm pretty sure the other 9 owners will ALL be at the draft, so i'm coming here to vent :*) ... heres to half of em getting wasted tonight
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby RSersen » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:56 pm

exp wrote:I just tested the autodraft by creating 10 dummy accounts and setting up a fake league. It worked perfectly. Just to clarify, are people only running into the bug in question when use pre-rankings to auto-pick in a LIVE draft (for example, in a mock)? Has anyone actually taken the time to set up a fake league and run an actual AUTOdraft? Because having just done that I can testify that it selected all players for me as intended. My reserves included 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 1 QB, 1 TE, and 1 DEF. No surprises.

It's pretty straightforward, but for the record here is exactly what I did:

Step 1: Go to the pre-rank my players page and use the drop-down box to view ALL kickers (or whatever position you want to exclude). Move all players to the Exclude box on the left side. Save.

Step 2: Move players to your pre-ranking list on the right side as desired until you have enough to cover the entire draft (again, in my league that was 160 players (10 teams x 16 rounds). Save. It shouldn't matter how many you have pre-ranked at each position, but FWIW in my case I listed 30 QBs, 45 RBs, 55 WRs, 20 TEs and 10 DEFs (enough to cover the starters and 1-3 reserves for each position).

It honestly doesn't appear to be a particularly finicky process in my experience. There's no secret step that is easily missed. The above two steps are all I did this time and all I've ever done in the past, and it has never bugged out on me. Hope that helps.

*Disclaimer: exp is not responsible for any crap players you end up glitched with while trying to exploit the auto-pick algorithm for personal gain. If you're not prepared to risk the bug play it safe and draft your kicker like everyone else. Heh.



I was experiencing these problems in live mocks, just putting myself on auto. Seemed a lot easier than creating an entire league for the purpose of mocking.

I'm going to take a leap of faith and put the kickers back on the excluded list, and assume that things work better in an actual auto-draft - and yes, I read the disclaimer. ;-7

If I still get stuck with a bunch of backs, I'll just try to be the first guy hitting the FA pool - with everyone else drafting two K, two DEF, two TE, there should be some decent depth left. Draft should be later tonight or tomorrow morning. Will report back.
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Re: Yahoo Autodraft rank strategy

Postby RSersen » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:02 am

Well, embarrassingly enough, I think I forgot to put every kicker on exclude. Ended up getting Akers - don't see him on my rankings or excluded list, so I guess he slipped through the cracks.

All of that trial and error, and speculation for nothing. Damn.

Still, ended up with a decent team, I think:

QB Schaub
RB Rice, Foster
WR Austin, Ward, Wallace
W/R Ricky Williams
TE Z. Miller
K Akers
DEF Philly
Bench: Garrard, Gaffney, Berrian, Huggins
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