Wolfpac11680 wrote:I'm in a 10 man league, standard scoring. What is he worth? What's his deal? So much talent but a complete headcase
If you look at his body of work you could conclude that he is just an average player. He's currently hurt and will have a tough 09 schedule. I'm trying to avoid him in all my leagues.
In this year's game of "which 2008 dud will be an actual WR1/WR2 again?" I would rather go with Ocho Cinco or Roy Williams. They are just in better offenses, with no question marks at QB(who both have shown they can put up top 5 QB numbers) and they have shown great skills in more than just one season. Chad Johnson and Roy Williams will be the undisputed #1, instead of 2 or 3, and there were also other things holding both back last season that should be different this year(injuries, ineffective QB play).
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I disagree with everyone else, he is not to be avoided. My feeling is this;
Edwards will be in a better QB situation with Quinn as the full-time starter in '09 rather than Anderson.
Yes, the Browns are weak and will trail in most games. That means they will need to throw, often into prevent defenses that will give Braylon Edwards easy yards.
The departure of Kellen Winslow means more targets for Edwards. This may not help the Browns win games, but it should enhance Edwards' Fantasy value.
Edwards is a restricted free agent next year, and he will be looking to get out of Cleveland. If he plays well, there is a better chance he will get an offer the Browns will not choose to match, and he will leave Cleveland for greener pastures. This I can sum up in one word; motivation. Edwards will seek to play his best and catch lots of balls and TD's, and he will have ample opportunity to do so. If you're looking at him in a keeper league, he may be a player you could keep if he leaves for a more talented team in 2010, or perhaps trade to another owner before your keeper deadline next year.
Currently I am ranking him 23rd at the WR position, and he can be had in the 6th-7th rounds of most standard re-draft leagues. I have him in the area of players like Santonio Holmes, Lee Evans, DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal. Once these players are off the board, if Edwards is there, you'd be foolish not to grab him.
Do not undervalue Braylon Edwards in 2009.
And yes, I would pick him over Chad Ochocinqo hands down. Ocho plays well in about 4 NFL games per year, and costs your Fantasy team games the rest of the time with lacklustre performances.
All the targets in the world won't help Bdroppin'itEdwards. He has led the league in dropped passes for two seasons in a row now.
The official stat is that he dropped 16 passes last year. To say that this is spin by the NFL is being generous. He dropped A LOT more than that. I watched him drop 5 passes in one game alone last year. Saw him drop 3 more in another and was emailing Aaron Gleeman at Rotoworld to find out what the record for passes dropped in a season was before I finally flushed him down the waiver wire in week 10.
Romeo Crenell said that it was all in his head. Well, Mangini did everything he could to trade him and let him twist in the wind and Bdroppin'it responded by showing up to camp a day late (for which the Browns can/could fire him) and flunking his physical. Sounds like he still has some head issues.
WR 3 with upside that he is sure to drop as soon as someone throws him the opportunity.
Hank_Scorpio wrote:Braylon had an off-year last year.
Do not undervalue Braylon Edwards in 2009.
And yes, I would pick him over Chad Ochocinqo hands down. Ocho plays well in about 4 NFL games per year, and costs your Fantasy team games the rest of the time with lacklustre performances.
Ok here are some facts for ya. 05-06...32 rec 512 yds 51yds/game 3tds 06-07...61 rec 884 yds 55yds/game 6tds 07-08...80 rec 1289yds 81yds/game 16tds 08-09...55 rec 873yds 55yds/game 3tds
Ever watch Sesame Street with your kids? (1 of these seasons is doing its own thing.) If it looks like 1 doesn't belong then that season is the definition of a fluke. The other 3 seasons is what you consider the norm. With a green QB in Quinn and 1 of the toughest schedules for QBs in 09, I don't see how Braylon has a better than his normal type of season. He is currently not able to get on the field for some reason and the more time he misses to gel with whoever the QB is, the lower his ceiling gets. I'm willing to bet that Braylon has 70 rec for 920yds and 6 tds in 2009 as his ceiling. I think if Carson Palmer stays healthy Ocho will easily trump that. $.02
Hank_Scorpio wrote:Braylon had an off-year last year.
Do not undervalue Braylon Edwards in 2009.
And yes, I would pick him over Chad Ochocinqo hands down. Ocho plays well in about 4 NFL games per year, and costs your Fantasy team games the rest of the time with lacklustre performances.
Ok here are some facts for ya. 05-06...32 rec 512 yds 51yds/game 3tds 06-07...61 rec 884 yds 55yds/game 6tds 07-08...80 rec 1289yds 81yds/game 16tds 08-09...55 rec 873yds 55yds/game 3tds
Ever watch Sesame Street with your kids? (1 of these seasons is doing its own thing.) If it looks like 1 doesn't belong then that season is the definition of a fluke. The other 3 seasons is what you consider the norm. With a green QB in Quinn and 1 of the toughest schedules for QBs in 09, I don't see how Braylon has a better than his normal type of season. He is currently not able to get on the field for some reason and the more time he misses to gel with whoever the QB is, the lower his ceiling gets. I'm willing to bet that Braylon has 70 rec for 920yds and 6 tds in 2009 as his ceiling. I think if Carson Palmer stays healthy Ocho will easily trump that. $.02
I think what you have to look at with Edwards is the third-year WR breakout theory. He hit his potential in his third year, and took a step back due to inconsistent QB play and just a bad overall year in Cleveland in his fourth year. I think he'll come back with a better year and not possibly match his 2007 totals, but be much better than 2008. You can draft him as a WR3 in round 6 or 7 of a draft, and get possible WR2 production from Edwards.
Here's some stats on Chad Johnson/Ochocinqo. We all know he stunk in 2008, but look back at his previous three seasons (ones in which he has been considered a viable Fantasy option. The truth is, he is not);
2007: Season: 93 receptions, 1440 yards, 8 TDs Weeks 2, 3, 12, and 17: 36 receptions, 580 yards, 7 TDs Rest of the Season: 57 receptions, 860 yards, 1 TD (4.7 receptions, 71.6 yards, and .08 TDs per game)
2006: Season: 87 receptions, 1370 yards, 7 TDs Weeks 2, 8, 10, and 11: 29 receptions, 606 yards, 7 TDs Rest of the Season: 58 receptions, 764 yards, 0 TDs (4.8 receptions, 63.6 yards, and 0 TDs per game)
2005: Season: 95 receptions, 1432 yards, 9 TDs Weeks 2, 3, 6, and 11: 26 receptions, 540 yards, 5 TDs Rest of the Season: 69 receptions, 892 yards, 4 TDs (5.7 receptions, 74.3 yards, and .3 TDs per game)
So in those 3 seasons he had 33% of his receptions, 40.7% of his yards, and 79.2% of his TDs within just 25% of the season. That equals out to about 50% of his total fantasy output for the whole season coming in 4 games each year. It's even worse if you look at just 2006 and 2007 as in those years he scored just 1 TD total in 2 seasons outside of those 4 big outbursts per year. That right there is the definition of inconsistency.
That is a very interesting way to spin consistent seasons into inconsistency in periods of those seasons. Very interesting. I am willing to bet that if you look at most top 20 WRs you'll find that other than Moss in 2007 there were probably no WRs that scored a td every Sunday. No matter how you look at it 1300yds and 8 tds every year for 3 straight years can't be disputed. The bottom line is if I have a shot at a guy with a good chance at giving me 1300yds and 8 tds in a season and a guy that I'm 90% sure will struggle to give me 1000yds and 6 tds in a season, I go with the 1300yd guy every single time especially since he's been with the same QB for over 4 years and that QB is 100% healthy again.
Not to turn this into the Ochocinqo thread but I'm not putting a "spin" on his numbers. Ocho is clearly the most inconsistent and aggravating WR in Fantasy. Look at the 2007 and 2006 numbers combined (the most recent seasons when he had QB Palmer -- last year was a writeoff).
If I said you could have a WR that would score 14 TD's in 8 games over those two seasons, but would score 1 TD over the other 24 games combined -- would you want him?
The smart answer is no. The aggravating problem with Ocho is a less-informed owner wil reach for Ocho, and he'll have one of his stellar 2 TD, 150-yard games against your team.
Edwards should do better than last season. Maybe he's not the most consistent WR out there, but the highs and lows (and mostly lows) of Ocho are to be avoided.
There are lots of consistent Fantasy performers at WR. No one's guaranteed to get you 10 points every week, but why would you want a guy that craps the bed 75% of the time? This is over a 3-year span, this is not "number-spinning".
I had Larry Fitzgerald last year, and his lowest point total on the year was 5.2, and that was week 15. His lowest totals besides that were week 12 (7.1) and week 9 (8.1). His highest total was 18.5 in week 13.
Overall, 'Fitz' was a solid performer averaging around 12.5 pts per game, and rarely fluctuated too high or too low from that average.