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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby 2ksports » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:56 pm

Here's my tiers

QBs

Tom Brady, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Drew Brees

Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers

Schaub, Cassel

Chad Pennington, Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Ben Roethlisberger, K.Collins, Garrard, Russell, E. Manning, J. Campbell, Culpepper, Rosenfels

Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, K. Orton, Thigpen, Stafford

bold representing my targets
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby mattb47 » Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:48 pm

eagles21 wrote:
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It's more of a gut feeling to me. What I posted probably doesn't seem like much, but I honestly don't think the Jaguars can be nearly as bad as they were last year.
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IMO the better the Jags are, the worse Garrards fantasy stats are going to be. if they can play good D and get leads they'll run, run, run with that revamped O-line and it'll be back to Garrard throwing 150 yds with a TD each week


To me, having an offensive line + an improvement to the god-awful receiving corps they had last year has to help his stats, along with improving the Jaguars team as a whole.


On most teams in the NFL that might be true...but on a select few, if things go as planned for them and they are a better team overall, then the QB stats will suffer. Those teams include the Jags, Titans, Ravens, Steelers, Vikings, and Panthers. The better those teams are and they play overall as a team, the more they'll run and the less their QB's will put up stats or will even need to do so. There are probably more but those are some off the top of my head.
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby RyeWhiskey » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:00 pm

2ksports wrote:Here's my tiers

QBs

Tom Brady, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Drew Brees

Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers

Schaub, Cassel

Chad Pennington, Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Ben Roethlisberger, K.Collins, Garrard, Russell, E. Manning, J. Campbell, Culpepper, Rosenfels

Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, K. Orton, Thigpen, Stafford

bold representing my targets


No Matt Ryan?
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby eagles21 » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:17 pm

mattb47 wrote:On most teams in the NFL that might be true...but on a select few, if things go as planned for them and they are a better team overall, then the QB stats will suffer. Those teams include the Jags, Titans, Ravens, Steelers, Vikings, and Panthers. The better those teams are and they play overall as a team, the more they'll run and the less their QB's will put up stats or will even need to do so. There are probably more but those are some off the top of my head.


I'll call it a gut feeling and leave it at that, since most statistics will go against what I think.
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby biju » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:22 pm

AngryMonkey wrote:
2ksports wrote:Here's my tiers

QBs

Tom Brady, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Drew Brees

Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers

Schaub, Cassel

Chad Pennington, Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Ben Roethlisberger, K.Collins, Garrard, Russell, E. Manning, J. Campbell, Culpepper, Rosenfels

Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, K. Orton, Thigpen, Stafford

bold representing my targets


No Matt Ryan?


No Matt Hasselbeck either. I'd bet a lot of money on him having better numbers than many of the QBs listed there. I'm guessing they are mere oversights though, not a belief that these guys aren't going to make the top 28 QBs on the year.
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby Dawinner127 » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:23 pm

AngryMonkey wrote:
2ksports wrote:Here's my tiers

QBs

Tom Brady, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Drew Brees

Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers

Schaub, Cassel

Chad Pennington, Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Ben Roethlisberger, K.Collins, Garrard, Russell, E. Manning, J. Campbell, Culpepper, Rosenfels

Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, K. Orton, Thigpen, Stafford

bold representing my targets


No Matt Ryan?

I was thinking the same thing. I personally think Ryan is going to have a very good year with the addition of Tony Gonzalez.
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby joejlitz » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:06 pm

1st of all, Eagles 21, you know way to much about the Jags. Aren't they in the CFL, yet? :-b

As for the rankings, McNabb is too high. Look at the articles on AUG 7th and I talk about it in more detail. McNabb will remain a top-10 QB, but he is certainly not a top-5. He is a low-risk, medium-reward type player. He has only thrown over 20 TDs twice in the last 6 years or so. And as someone said earlier, his rushing yards have declined drastically.
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby Dan Lambskin » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:14 am

biju wrote:
AngryMonkey wrote:
2ksports wrote:Here's my tiers

QBs

Tom Brady, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Drew Brees

Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers

Schaub, Cassel

Chad Pennington, Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Ben Roethlisberger, K.Collins, Garrard, Russell, E. Manning, J. Campbell, Culpepper, Rosenfels

Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, K. Orton, Thigpen, Stafford

bold representing my targets


No Matt Ryan?


No Matt Hasselbeck either. I'd bet a lot of money on him having better numbers than many of the QBs listed there. I'm guessing they are mere oversights though, not a belief that these guys aren't going to make the top 28 QBs on the year.


Kurt Warner is a pretty bad ommision too
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby 2ksports » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:39 pm

my bad I didn't evaluate that entire division yet... that list was still in progress, I forgot drew brees too and realized and added in.

QBs

Tom Brady, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Drew Brees, Warner

Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers,

Schaub, Cassel, Hasselbeck, Ryan

Chad Pennington, Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Ben Roethlisberger, K.Collins, Garrard, Russell, E. Manning, J. Campbell, Culpepper, Rosenfels

Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, K. Orton, Thigpen, Stafford, Leinart
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Re: BGboothA's top 20 QB (tell me where I am wrong)

Postby joejlitz » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:42 pm

2ksports wrote:my bad I didn't evaluate that entire division yet... that list was still in progress, I forgot drew brees too and realized and added in.

QBs

Tom Brady, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Drew Brees, Warner

Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers,

Schaub, Cassel, Hasselbeck, Ryan

Chad Pennington, Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Ben Roethlisberger, K.Collins, Garrard, Russell, E. Manning, J. Campbell, Culpepper, Rosenfels

Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens, K. Orton, Thigpen, Stafford, Leinart

With apologies to BGBoothA for hijacking his thread. ;-) }:-) :-b
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