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Postby moochman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:17 pm

Okay, its time again for the exhibition season. Who and what are you hoping to see in Saturday’s game, which will be shown at 7:30 pm rather than live.

According to Mlive Culpepper has been named starter for the first X-game, they also give a piece from Brain VanOchten of the Grand Rapids Press on 5 players that bear watching tomorrow.
1 Stafford.
2. Cliff Avril
3. Daniel Loper
4 Anthony Henry
5. Culpepper
More info on this link: http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/08/matthew_stafford_isnt_only_lio.html


I have to admit that I want to see how all of our new players fit in with the old, and how The Schwartz’s system and coaching affects the quality of play.
I want to see both QBs, and see them both make quick, sound decisions and accurate throws. Culpepper can not have any turnovers and not look slow out there.
Stafford only has to show off his gun and not look lost out there. All else will be forgiven.
I want to see if we have any WRs after Megatron and Bryant Johnson, both of who I don’t think are playing. Is Northcutt a player? Is Williams just another Lions WR named Williams—a bust? Seriously, this is how deplete we are at WR, I can’t think of any other WRs of NFL caliber on this team. Colbert is marginal, as is Northcutt in all likelihood.
I want to see Smith looking as good as he did in the second half of last year. I want to get a look at Terrell Smith and Aaron Brown, both of who I think have good potential….still reaches to make an impact.

Oh, yeah. I almost forgot. I would like to see the D stop the ATL starters, or at least put up a little fight. I can still see Turner bulldozing the Lions and a deep pass to Jenkins. TD. (shakes head and mutters something about a pick and shovel my a**)
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby dream_017 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:25 pm

I just want to see them ready for a game. It has been a long time since we have not seen a game start 21-0 against us. Right now, for a first game under a new coach, I just want to see them keep the game close, make sound plays(not muttering to myself about same old Lions). Oh, and I don't want to see anyone else hurt
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby RWLongy4 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:53 pm

I'm sad that we probably won't get to see Pettigrew or Delmas in action.

I am excited to see:
-Our new Linebacking corps. even the backups, (although I don't think Follett will play because of his shoulder) specifically Levy as I haven't heard much.
-Avril, heard nothing but rave reviews from camp... Will he live up to it?
-K. Smith, will he improve upon last year? hit the holes (if there are any) with more intensity.
-Our DT rotation, will Smith/Jackson/Hill be the big guys we needed?
-Of course Stafford and the new and improved Cpepp

Things I'm not so excited to see, but think I will:
-Complete lack of depth everywhere.
-Rod's boys Flu, Cohen, 50... will they finally prove they aren't worth a roster spot?
-After Avril/White do we have anyone that deserves to play DE in this league?
-Derrick Williams as unimpressive as everyone says?
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby moochman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:04 pm

RWLongy4 wrote:-Rod's boys Flu, Cohen, 50... will they finally prove they aren't worth a roster spot?


Show some respect! I am sure you meant 5-oh. :-D

It is going to be one of the harder things the The Schwartz has to deal with--NimRod's tool shed of playskool picks and shovels. All the players that NimRod covetted are the exact opposite of what Schwartz likes in his D. I am looking to see if Marinelli's leftover Tamponittes can actually play when they are coached by a real head coach. Assuming The Schwartz is more Schmartz than wartz.

I also hope to NOT see a friggin flag within the first set of plays we run. No more NimRod, No more NimRod!
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby RWLongy4 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:36 pm

I had a whole write up but my computer crashed... to sum it up, our defense looked good minus the one play. Stafford looked impressive minus the one play. Aaron Brown, wow he could be a playmaker. Our O-line sucks, our d-line sucks but cohen actually didn't look bad and looked big. Our safeties looked weak. Henry was impressive. Overall good performance if we can avoid the injury bug we should look a lot better ;-D
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby moochman » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:34 am

Impressions of Yesterday:
QB: Culpepper looked okay, but was not impressive. Getting the team to the redzone and settling for a FG is BS. While he didn’t look bad, he didn’t look great either. We need more from him.
Stafford looked good, better than could be expected. Sure he had a meltdown and threw the INT on a blitz play. That will happen as he learns what he can and cannot do in this league. His quick release and strength was well above average. I like that he didn’t do as I would have done and never have thrown to Colbert again. Most of his passes were much more on time and accurate than I expected to see at this stage of exhibition season. I love that The Schwartz allowed him to pass as much as he did.
Stanton looked better, almost like he could have a career as a backup in this league. He still doesn’t look off of receivers as well as he needs to and runs out of the pocket a bit quickly. But he didn’t look too lost out there. B

RB-K Smith looked strong, but didn’t get enough reps to see if he could avoid tacklers. Worried he got stronger but less elusive.
Cason could be cut right now. He brings absolutely nothing to this team.
That is because Brown looks to be all that Cason is, with the added caveat of having much more speed and energy. He has speed and burst that our running game desperately needs. I would love to see him be developed as a third down/passing play specialist. Get him to the outside, behind the void left by Megatron and see what happens.
Ervin is another reason why we don’t need Cason. He can fill the #3 RB spot, assuming Morris is #2 and Brown a kick return/slash back. He showed some running savvy though there were too many times there was no where to run. B

WR-I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. What a pathetic group of backup WRs we have. Only kindness and scarcity keeps Colbert from getting cut immediately. Williams actually showed more than was hinted at. I guess it was just the fact that he caught both passes in stride, not like the Lions of Mooch and NimRod who were always catching the ball standing still. Didn’t see anything that makes me think he is a return threat, and didn’t get open enough for the time he played. All I know is Megatron, Johnson, and Northcutt had better be healthy all season or our air attack may be grounded. D-

O-Line-Loper looked like a decent improvement, and maybe he will help the Matador concentrate on his man by not needing double teams. The little fella didn’t have a very good game. For someone who we’ve heard is a great block assignment hander-outer, the Culpepper sack sure looked like blown assignments to me. Jenson didn’t look as solid as I was hoping he would, but he didn’t embarrass himself. C+

D-Line-Still looking for the NimRod 11 to show up. Didn’t look as bad as I feared, but not as good as will be needed if we are going to win more than 2-4 games this year. No sacks, and I don’t recall many tackles for losses, or tackles by the D-Line as a whole. I must have missed something here, cause they couldn’t have played as bad as my grade. D

LB-No sacks, No turnovers, No impact plays. No good in exhibition. I fully expected to see Sims, Foote, and/or Peterson make more plays. Very disappointing. DUIzon and Levy didn’t seem to do much. C-

Secondary-This unit, led by Buchanon and Roberson, seemed to keep the Falcon passing game from any deep threats. No INTs and got caught pinching on Turner’s long TD run. Echoes from 0-16 sounding alarms in my head. B-

Coaching-I saw a marked difference in the level of play over that of NimRod. They actually looked like they had some idea of how to play that goes beyond pad level and flowing to the gaps. I liked that The Schwartz wasn’t a slave to his itinerary. He let Culpepper and Stafford play more reps than advertised, and let Stafford throw a heck of a lot more than pebble-pounder NimRod would have. I liked that rookies like Stafford and Brown still played like they were playing college football. That is, they weren’t polluted by NimRod’s silly attention to mechanics and played the darn game like they knew how.
B+ Misses an A- simply because he didn’t avoid the Lions tradition of having a penalty within the first 4 plays of a game. Didn’t call a time out to start the second half, so that shows improvement.


RW, I can overlook the INT; simply a rookie mistake. I was a little concerned that he kept going to Coldbert as much as he did, though is did look off defenders. Brown does look like a playmaker and what I liked is that The Schwartz let him. I get the feeling our new coach isn't as afraid of mistakes than may come during attempts to make big plays. I can hardly wait to see how they let Megatron loose on the world.
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby RWLongy4 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:12 pm

moochman wrote:RW, I can overlook the INT; simply a rookie mistake. I was a little concerned that he kept going to Coldbert as much as he did, though is did look off defenders. Brown does look like a playmaker and what I liked is that The Schwartz let him. I get the feeling our new coach isn't as afraid of mistakes than may come during attempts to make big plays. I can hardly wait to see how they let Megatron loose on the world.


Agreed, thats what I made of the INT, rookie mistake. I had thought that Colbert had a decent set of hands, I guess I was wrong about that. I think he just bought himself a one way ticket out of Detroit if he doesn't show vast improvement in the upcoming exhibitions.

Brown: Be nice to bring him in on a few third downs and dump it to him (which reminds me our screen play looked vastly better than anything in the past) and let him run in open space.

I like our big play mentality on both sides of the ball, I think we didn't see the best effects of gunner's blitzing but I think there is a certain learning curve to it and we will get to the QB the more as we work on it more. Most of our players are still used to standing and waiting for the ball to come to them like Rod liked to do.

I think not having megatron and three of our other top recievers out there hurt the effectiveness of the first team offense and I think both Stafford and Daunte will look better with some more reliable targets out there. Derrick Williams looked to be the shining star of the otherwise dismal receiving corps. And I agree he doesn't look like the return guy we thought thus far (Aaron Brown I thought did a nice job). Speaking of which why was Cason getting any chances recieving when we already know how ineffective he can be? Hopefully that was his last.

Our linebackers I think were fine they just didn't make any huge plays. Our corners were solid, not afraid to make a tackle. Safties were bad... hopefully someone steps up opposite delmas, or maybe at corner so Henry can play safety. Our D-Line I think as everyone suspected sucked. Hopefully they get some kind of working rotation together.

Overall: B, Once injuries are straightened out I think the offense could be high powered, the defense is still missing some pieces before it is servicable hopefully with a few more additions and some creative coaching they can mask the holes for the year.
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby dream_017 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:49 am

Things I liked:
- Win: Sure it is only pre-season, but it was nice to see a win. It was also nice to see them not give up being down by 9 with 3:00 left
- defensive stop: when was the last time we needed a defensive stop and it actually happened. After the time-out before the on-side kick, the Lions had to kick-off and come up with a stp to get the ball back - and it happened 8-o
- playcalling: I liked a lot of the ideas, obviously some things didn't work out the way they planned, but overall, I liked it. With that said, last year I remember really liking the roll-out play they did twice in pre-season (both times it worked). We never once saw it run in the regular season
- Swartz: I think he looked like a HC out there. Managed the game nice. The team looked prepared, not once did I see them use a time-out looking confused.
- Hanson: Sure hope he is not our MVP for the 14th consecutive year
- QB play: I thought they all looked like they knew how to run the offense, even with a WR core. Again, no time-outs and looking confused at the line

Things I didn't like:
- falling behind: I don't like the fact that we fell behind by 14/17 points. Part of that was also getting inside the 5 yd line and coming away with 3 points. One of my biggest pet peeves about this team. Obviously we didn't have CJ, so we may be throwing a fade for 6, but I would still like to see a play inside the 5 go for a TD on the ground.
- not scoring once getting inside the 5: see above
- missed tackles: not a huge concern as there are many new faces and this is a different scheme and it is also the first time they had pads and were able to hit people. If this continues into the 3rd pre-season game then it will be a concern
- Cason: already been mentioned by others
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby RWLongy4 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:07 pm

Couple things I'd like to add after doing some article reading. One of the linebackers mentioned there was only blitz called with the first team (I think it was when ernie put some good pressure on Ryan) despite having 40 in the playbook. I had heard earlier in the week that Gunner said they were not up to speed when blitzing which may have been a lot of the reason for the lack of blitz calls.

Dream - I think you're right on point saying no one looked like they had no idea what was going on at any point. I think that has a lot to do with Schwartz being a big fan of running situations as opposed to just plays in practice. So far it seems like a really good idea.

Also here are some links that it appears you will be able to catch the Lions games (preseason and regular season alike)

http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?com ... anfootball

http://www.channelsurfing.net/

http://www.justin.tv/

Was kind of a pain having the game blacked out :-t so I watched it on the internet.
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Re: X-Game I: Lions vs Atl Pre and post game commentary

Postby bigken117 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:52 pm

I recorded the game and watched it in FFWD...basically to see how well Stafford looked. I thought he looked good, despite the fact I wouldn't pick Colbert for my flag football team. I actually think it was mature of Stafford to go back to him after him 2nd and 3rd drops. The INT looked like a rookie mistake - get mad at Culpepper if he makes that play but not Stafford, and the TD I thought was an excellent pass to a receiver in stride towards the end zone. Granted it was only what, 24 yds, but it's nice to see them swinging for the fences and making contact. Just imagine how good when Calvin's in there :-L

But I didn't hear any mention of why Delmas was out, but heard he has been impressive in camp. Any insight? I was hoping to see him.
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