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LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby Lucky7 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:38 pm

10 team redraft with 2 keepers, standard scoring, no ppr.
I kept Chris Johnson as my 7th round pick and Royal as my 13th rounder.
I have 6th pick in the draft.
There's a chance LT or Gore will be available at 6.

IF LT or Gore are available AND Fitz, AJ and Moss are also available when I have to pick, would you pass up LT/Gore to take one of the WRs? I had LT last year and he killed me. I'd hate to suffer thru that again, but he would be tough to pass up...

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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby bazzy_51 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:42 pm

Lucky7 wrote:10 team redraft with 2 keepers, standard scoring, no ppr.
I kept Chris Johnson as my 7th round pick and Royal as my 13th rounder.
I have 6th pick in the draft.
There's a chance LT or Gore will be available at 6.

IF LT or Gore are available AND Fitz, AJ and Moss are also available when I have to pick, would you pass up LT/Gore to take one of the WRs? I had LT last year and he killed me. I'd hate to suffer thru that again, but he would be tough to pass up...

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if LT killed you last year with almost 1600 yards and 12 total TDs last year then you need to strengthen your draft strategy. i personally wouldn't pass up on LT, get LT have 2 very solid RB and a WR2, then next round go with best value but be looking for a potential WR1... can't pass on LT who this year could easily give you 1800 total yards and 15+ TDs...
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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby RWLongy4 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:43 pm

If LT is there at 7 I would take him, I think he will certainly bounce back from last year where he was hindered by turf toe all year.
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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby Dawinner127 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:49 pm

LT and no questions asked.
A win next week and all is forgotten.
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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby Lucky7 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:05 pm

Thanks. What if gore is there but lt is gone?
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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby bazzy_51 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:42 pm

Lucky7 wrote:Thanks. What if gore is there but lt is gone?


at 7 i think if LT is gone then you go ahead and grab a big time WR and then snag whatever top talent RB is left on the way back. so if LT is gone i personally think AJ and Fitz are a coin flip, AJ=more yardage, Fitz=more TDs. so with that said i say given your scoring (you said standard so im guessing its 4 pts per TD, if its not and its 6 then i would reverse what i say next) i would take AJ because of the yardage totals. then like i say on the return pick (4th rounder) you need to go after the top RB left and only by the grace of god Gore could be there :-b but if its not Gore take the best available back. NOW if all things fall down and all stars lineup up perfect i would take whichever you don't pick of AJ/Fitz with that 2nd pick or if Moss is there get him over the backs, but odds are with you taking one of the 3 if LT is gone then both will be gone by your next pick. its all going to depend on how your draft goes so i would rank them like this...

LT
AJ/Fitz or Fitz/AJ depending on scoring for TDs
Gore
Moss
(obviously there are other backs in there, but just basing it off of what players you have listed)

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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby Weasel_King » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:46 pm

I would definetly take LT if he was there. If he's not, I'd grab either Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.

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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby Lucky7 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:58 pm

Thanks guys. Not that it makes a difference to the analysis, but i have the 6th pick. If LT is gone by then, I would actually pick Moss as the first WR, over Fitz or AJ. I think he's in for a big year with Brady back.
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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby BigBlue2005 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:09 pm

Moss or Calvin Johnson should be your targets. Andre Johnson is overrated injury prone and never put up more than 8 tds in any season. Larry Fitzgerald is a first round pick with a ceiling equal to Anquan Boldin who you can easily grab in the 3rd round.

I would definitely take Moss of Calvin Johnson over LT. Last year with LT hurt the chargers suddenly discovered they have a passing game too. I do not see LT being used the same way this year as he has been in the past.

Randy Moss is capable of anything with Brady, and Calvin Johnson is a Randy Moss clone on a team that will be throwing for more garbage yards than practically any other team.

These forums are dominated by people who are unable to adapt to a new school of thought. There is no need to take a RB in the first round anymore. With all the RBBC you will find backs or starters like cedric benson, lendale white, larry johnson, joseph addai, derrick ward, jamal lewis and many others going in round 4-10. What you won't find is a single reliable receiver after the first 3 rounds.

So what you really should be asking yourself is, who is going to get me more points, a RB that gets 15-20 carries in round 4-10 or a WR that will be lucky to get between 1-5 receptions each week in those same 6 rounds. No matter what anybody else says Moss and Calvin Johnson have the skills and ability to go toe to toe with ANY RB in this league points wise this year. Pick your elite WR's early, secure that position with stable high end scorers and take your pick of the large quantity of rb2's and rb'3in round 4-10. Remember your elite WR's will compete easily with your opponents elite RBs. The question is, will his 3rd tier WR's who get 1-5 receptions a game have a prayer in the world going up against your 3rd tier rb who gets 15-20 carries a game? The answer is no and that is why you will win over 70% of your games with this strategy barring injuries.
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Re: LT or WR in Round One? (I'll Help You)

Postby bazzy_51 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:20 pm

BigBlue2005 wrote:Moss or Calvin Johnson should be your targets. Andre Johnson is overrated injury prone and never put up more than 8 tds in any season. Larry Fitzgerald is a first round pick with a ceiling equal to Anquan Boldin who you can easily grab in the 3rd round.

I would definitely take Moss of Calvin Johnson over LT. Last year with LT hurt the chargers suddenly discovered they have a passing game too. I do not see LT being used the same way this year as he has been in the past.


A. Umm what AJ is injury prone? aside from the injury in 07-08 where does the injury prone come into context at? If I'm not mistaken "injury prone" players would be defined as multiple injuries year after year, this is far from the case with Andre. And since when is a player who posts 1500+ Receiving yards and 8 scores 'overrated', also add to the fact that if not for the injury in 07-08 Johnson would have shattered your comment about the 8 TDs in one season comment, as he had 8 in 9 games, and was on pace for around 1500+ yards which would have given him 1100+ plus for 3 straight and 1500+ for 2 straight. You need to back it down with the wordage you use on players such as 'overrated' and 'injury prone', as a lot of players are 'overrated' in different peoples eyes and the injury prone labels are reserved for players such as SJax and Westy.

B. Want to talk about 'overrated', overrated would be yall talking about Moss going over any other receiver because of the stats he put up once with Brady over a year ago. Yall think hes gonna catch 23 TDs again in this lifetime? I think THATS a tad overrated.

C. How you can say that all of a sudden the Chargers found there passing game last year. Yes they had to depend on that pass more so last year, but you think that Norv is lying when he says LT will get his carries? I think I'm gonna call the BS card on you on that one, anyone that says that Norv is lying has lost touch with reality. LT is a back that every single season since his rookie year has scored at least double digit TDs and rushed for at least 1100 yards (before last year it was at least 1400 yards) you don't just one year say 'well sorry featured and franchise RB but um your not going to get the ball because we don't think you can carry the load.' I'm sorry that statement, or lack there of, really made me chuckle. To think that a healthy LT, which he is coming into this year, won't total at least a combined 1700 yds and 15 TDs is just about crazy.

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