Matthias wrote:Then management needs to get its head on straight.
Leftovers does not represent the catchall for junk; Leftovers IS the Cafe. I'll say that again in case you missed it: Leftovers IS the Cafe. The other stuff: sit/start, rate my team, IDP, college football, "Cafe Issues", and whatever other garbage you guys have loaded into the current design is the waste. Leftovers is where the most interesting and most perceptive conversations pertaining to the sport of the forum take place. If Leftovers is your bottom priority then your priority set is upside down. You are Coca-Cola focusing on New Coke. You are the 1995 Bulls saying that Steve Kerr is your #1 guy. In short: you don't get it.
Actually the entire thing is quite the opposite. I'll take a stab and say around 90% of the discussions held in Leftovers would be completely appropriate and fitting in other forums. "Advanced fantasy football strategy" would be about the only thing off the top of my head that doesn't have a specific forum for it. Feel free to give me some examples of what else there might be that doesn't have a forum for it.
Actually, my question to you got me to thinking, so I decided to show exactly what I mean at the bottom of this post.
Matthias wrote:Also, I was dead serious that the football Cafe is the #1 fantasy sport for this week.
I don't disagree with football being the most popular fantasy sport and I don't disagree that the first week is important. My comment was about you thinking Leftovers was the "main-line forum", because it isn't. You could put a couch and television in your garage and call it a den or party room, but it is still a garage.
Matthias wrote:if you don't realize that this is the one weekend that you (or whoever management is nowadays)
Menyak is the owner and only Admin, there are a handful of Field Managers on specific various things (writing, graphics, etc), and the mods. I have no vested interest in the site other than I've spent many years here, I still think the Cafes are the greatest sites out there, and I get tired of hearing people complain only to complain. Constructive criticism is great and taken into consideration (and even implemented quite often), but griping just to gripe is easily discarded. Especially when it comes from those with a long track record of doing just that.
(*Disclaimer - Not naming any names. Just pointing out that if someone doesn't contribute in a positive manner, is always combative, drives members away due to their behavior, and complains just to complain, it is very easy to just discard anything someone like that says.)
Matthias wrote:Somehow I doubt I hurt Madison's feelings
Correct, you didn't. But remember the knife cuts both ways now. It was really in the Cafe's best interest for me to be polite as much as possible in the past. But nowadays, me being polite is a courtesy that isn't guaranteed. My behavior could drop down to an equal level at the snap of a finger.
Just as an example of the value of the Leftovers forum debate, here's a current snapshot of Leftovers:
PLAYERS you DON'T want to have or wish you avoided! - Draft/keeper forum. Could call it Venting, but it's really a draft/keeper subject.
Cafe's Sunday Preview - Trying to drum up interest in a new article series. Could go in Pencil and Paper or the Article Discussions.
Shock's Week 1 Booms and Busts - Predictions
The MADDEN CURSE lives on! - Player update on Troy.
How often do you go with your gut? - Common strategy question. Could go in Beginners.
Slowest its been during a week 1 - Help Center
Jermichael Finley - Sleeper
Yahoo Browser Scripts - Good one. No clue, so we'll leave it.
Early Season Buy-Lows/Sell-Highs - Trade
ODD ROSTER QUESTION. DROPPING PLAYERS MID GAME? - Beginners or Frequently Asked Fantasy Questions
VICK WR/RB Eligible? - Frequently Asked Fantasy Questions
OK, so how much does the new Yahoo StatTracker suck? - Venting
Players You "Must Have" This Season (2009 Edition) - Draft/Trade/Keeper
Weirdest Draft Picks You've Seen This Year - Draft.
Pre-Week 1 waiver wire sensation - Sleeper
Merriman arrested, accused of choking Tila Tequila - Player Updates
The Steelers more a passing team now? - Team Forum
So when does Rashard Mendenhall show his potential? - Player Discussion or could be the Draft Forum.
What happens when LT retires? - Team Forum
Favre's masterplan revealed! - take your pick seeing as how it was supposed to be a joke, General Talk would fit.
All Man-Crush Team - Cheering
McFadden named starter (link) - Player Update
Fantasy Football Pet Peeves - Venting
Domenik Hixon - thoughts? - Player discussion
PPR the Way to Go...And Win - Type of league discussion, let's leave this one.
TE vs 3-4 Defenses - At its core, it's a Draft question, but we'll call it strategy and leave it.
chris johnson vs kevein smith $80 round of golf - Player comparison
Year of the WR? - Draft question
Saints hiding that Pierre Thomas had knee surgery??? - Player Update/Team Forum, take your pick.
Where's the Start/Sit? Game tomorrow. (NT) - Article Discussion
Cinci Receivers...Coles and Henry - Player comparison
Willis McGahee: undervalued! - Sleeper or Draft Forums
Felix Jones, didn't notice till now, interesting - Sleeper
Is it possible to draft TOO GOOD? - Draft
Quinn is going to start - Player Update
Elimination Week 1 - Lines & Spreads
Tech in football...whatcha think? - Good one, we'll leave that one.
New Cafe Column: D-Day - Trying to drum up interest in a new article series. Could go in Pencil and Paper or the Article Discussions.
Accurate depth charts - Frequently Asked Fantasy Questions
So that's 39 threads (I didn't list or count the ones that had already been moved). Out of 39, there's what, 4 threads left? If the hammer were to be brought down hard on where posts go (and I'm not suggesting it should be, just proving a point), then Leftovers would certainly not be considered a main forum. So yes, when I say Leftovers is exactly what the term "leftovers" means, I still stand by that because it is true. 4 threads is not a main forum or a big deal at all.