Don't know if you were all watching, but Murphy had the TD with possession of the ball in the endzone, and then a ground-caused fumble as he landed on his hip.
My understanding is once those 2 feet were down and he had possession, falling down and losing the ball is not considered an incompletion. He even made a turn and tucked it into one hand before losing it.
Anyways, hate when refs pick on a team. Should have been overtime.
It was criminal. Now, it might not have won the game for them, because the last touchdown they got was sort of a last ditch effort type thing, but I'm not sure if the Chargers looked bad, or Oakland sort of looked good.
That was a touchdown, plain and simple. INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence. They were supposed to be more strict on that this year. It was supposed to require certainty. This was a touchdown.
The Raiders still would have won the game if they didn't goto that ridiculous nickel zone on the last two or three drives. I could have played QB for the Chargers and led a game winning drive last night. They gave the guy a bubble of 15 yards right over the middle of the field on every play. What's worse, those LBs were getting beat on the seams as well. Antonio Gates ran right past the zone untouched on one play in the final drive. That loss was inevitable with that defensive play calling, extra TD or not.
2ksports wrote:Don't know if you were all watching, but Murphy had the TD with possession of the ball in the endzone, and then a ground-caused fumble as he landed on his hip.
My understanding is once those 2 feet were down and he had possession, falling down and losing the ball is not considered an incompletion. He even made a turn and tucked it into one hand before losing it.
Anyways, hate when refs pick on a team. Should have been overtime.
I thought it was a ridiculous ruling. You do have to maintain control of the ball to the ground. The way I saw it, he still had control of the ball until he tried to get up to celebrate. Just because it moved a little in his hand when he hit the ground does not mean he didn't have control. At the very least, I didn't think there was enough there to overturn the TD call on the field. That said, it's not fair to say the game would have been in OT if the TD was given. The events after the TD would probably have been different.
FatFoot wrote:...but I'm not sure if the Chargers looked bad, or Oakland sort of looked good.
I think it was a bit of both. I think the Raiders may actually have a viable run game and defense. With Seymour and Ellis on the D line, they might be able to get some consistent pressure on the QB. Their secondary isn't awful either. Who knows if they can maintain that level with their inexperienced WRs and awful QB blowing most every opportunity given to them.
Nope, the receiver must maintain control of the ball as he hits the ground...in the field of play, in the endzone, or out of bounds after toe-tapping. Pretty clear rule actually.
Munboy wrote:Nope, the receiver must maintain control of the ball as he hits the ground...in the field of play, in the endzone, or out of bounds after toe-tapping. Pretty clear rule actually.
Good call by the refs.
I should clarify, this rule applies during the act of a catch. When a player is making a catch and is engaged with a defensive player, the receiver must maintain possession of the ball "through" the ground. I went back and rewatched the highlights and it was absolutely a good call by the refs. Nobody is getting picked on.
Munboy wrote:Nope, the receiver must maintain control of the ball as he hits the ground...in the field of play, in the endzone, or out of bounds after toe-tapping. Pretty clear rule actually.
Good call by the refs.
Uh, what clip were you watching. I saw a guy jump up in the air, make the catch, land on his feet with possession, then get thrown to the ground on his ass with possession, then as he rolled over the ball moved with his arm under it the entire time, then when he moved to get up the ball came out. He wasn't diving for the ball or falling down as he made the catch, he was tackled after making the catch.
Munboy wrote:Nope, the receiver must maintain control of the ball as he hits the ground...in the field of play, in the endzone, or out of bounds after toe-tapping. Pretty clear rule actually.
Good call by the refs.
Uh, what clip were you watching. I saw a guy jump up in the air, make the catch, land on his feet with possession, then get thrown to the ground on his ass with possession, then as he rolled over the ball moved with his arm under it the entire time, then when he moved to get up the ball came out. He wasn't diving for the ball or falling down as he made the catch, he was tackled after making the catch.
The exact same one that shows him bobble the ball on the ground between his legs before scooping it back up. The exact same one they showed on NFL Total Access tonight with the head of refs explaining calls....and he say the exact same thing I did. You have to maintain control of the ball as you catch it going to the ground. Pretty simple. I can see how Raider fans who don't know the rule would be mad, but if it happened to a Steelers, I wouldn't be mad at the call because I know the rule.
It is the rule. I don't like the rule. But Munboy is right you have to maintain possession all the way to the ground and through the fall. If you stick the landing you are fine. Just don't fall or you better hold on.
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