Who is the #12 (and final pick in the first round) of dynasty league rookie drafts? You are voting on who will have the best fantasy football production in the NFL over the next 4 or 5 years with the team on which the player was just drafted, NOT who will have the best year in 2010. Assume standard scoring (1 pt. per 10 yards rushing / receiving, and no PPR) Also please assume that you have a balanced roster and don't have a great specific need for a QB, WR, etc.
Feel free to discuss the pros and cons of these players - this could be helpful for some and generate some good discussion. If you'd like to vote for a player NOT on this list, then please vote "other" and make a post to discuss the player. This will serve as a write-in vote for that player.
Clausen over Mike Williams? Please. I am not taking a QB in the 1st round unless I believe he's a game changer or going to be elite, otherwise you could rotate guys like Garrard into your line-up each year until you find one, and I don't think Clausen is elite. I would only be taking a QB like Clausen if I finished the season with Kurt Warner and Matt Hassalback type of options.
Mike Williams is firmly my #2 WR in this class and going to make alot of people regret passing him up. Funny thing is had he been drafted sooner people would have been wanting to pick him higher, but the only thing that got him picked later was the character concerns of supposedly quitting the team, not that he can't play.
He'll be a stud and he's got definate #1 WR potential, I'm taking that over a marginal QB, which is what Clausen is in my eyes, and the eyes of pretty much every team in the NFL. Good QB's don't last long, hell even a small school QB from a Div 1-AA school like Flacco was traded up for in the top 20 picks, Clausen has pedigree, pro style system, competition, experience, and it still wasn't enough to prove he was a 1st round talent. He's a waste of a 1st round pick in rookie drafts.
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LS2throwed wrote:Clausen over Mike Williams? Please. I am not taking a QB in the 1st round unless I believe he's a game changer or going to be elite, otherwise you could rotate guys like Garrard into your line-up each year until you find one, and I don't think Clausen is elite. I would only be taking a QB like Clausen if I finished the season with Kurt Warner and Matt Hassalback type of options.
Mike Williams is firmly my #2 WR in this class and going to make alot of people regret passing him up. Funny thing is had he been drafted sooner people would have been wanting to pick him higher, but the only thing that got him picked later was the character concerns of supposedly quitting the team, not that he can't play.
He'll be a stud and he's got definate #1 WR potential, I'm taking that over a marginal QB, which is what Clausen is in my eyes, and the eyes of pretty much every team in the NFL. Good QB's don't last long, hell even a small school QB from a Div 1-AA school like Flacco was traded up for in the top 20 picks, Clausen has pedigree, pro style system, competition, experience, and it still wasn't enough to prove he was a 1st round talent. He's a waste of a 1st round pick in rookie drafts.
Agree here. Mike Williams is the best left here for me too. I wouldn't even think of Clausen as a possibility for my team in the first round of this year's rookie draft...I think he's overrated and his draft day fall reflects that.
Well, I'm the only person who's voted Gresham so far, so here's why I voted against all the rest-
LaFell- Great opportunity, with Smith and the running game drawing coverage. Moose is retired and Jarrett hasn't taken hold of his chance to be the #2 WR. CBS considered LaFell the best WR prospect going into last year's college season. He has all the measurables you'd want in a WR- except his small hands (8 3/4), which led to a ton of drops in college. A great blocker who can step right in for Muhammad, LaFell is a better football prospect than fantasy football player.
Gerhart and Dwyer- pre-draft, both were fantasy considerations. Both were drafted by teams with either elite or soon-to-be-established RBs in Adrian Peterson and Mendenhall. Both will be, at best, back-up RBs. Both have the physique that have led many to say they should play FB at the pro-level.
Clausen- not elite, not guaranteed to even start. Positional scarcity only comes into play when considering the rookie QBs. Some dynasty teams have been sitting on QBs like Leinart, Kolb and Henne- I'd consider targeting one of them or getting a placeholder and one of the QBs coming out next year.
Mike Williams- Talent with little positional competition gives him a high ceiling. But, character concerns give him a very low floor. A very wide possible range of production.
Gresham- Ochocinco can draw coverage, but lacks big-play ability. A plethora of WRs (Antonio Bryant, Dez Briscoe, Jordan Shipley, Andre Caldwell) can potentially line up opposite, but injury, rookie and character concerns abound. Gresham has the vertical speed to be a downfield weapon- depending on Bryant's head and knees, perhaps the only one.
I'm much more willing to draft Gresham's higher floor with very good ceiling to Williams' extremely wide differential between his potential upper-level production and his bust chance. You know Gresham will produce- you hope Williams will. Gresham's ceiling is near Williams', but his floor is MUCH higher.
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Kareighuis wrote:Well, I'm the only person who's voted Gresham so far, so here's why I voted against all the rest-
LaFell- Great opportunity, with Smith and the running game drawing coverage. Moose is retired and Jarrett hasn't taken hold of his chance to be the #2 WR. CBS considered LaFell the best WR prospect going into last year's college season. He has all the measurables you'd want in a WR- except his small hands (8 3/4), which led to a ton of drops in college. A great blocker who can step right in for Muhammad, LaFell is a better football prospect than fantasy football player.
Gerhart and Dwyer- pre-draft, both were fantasy considerations. Both were drafted by teams with either elite or soon-to-be-established RBs in Adrian Peterson and Mendenhall. Both will be, at best, back-up RBs. Both have the physique that have led many to say they should play FB at the pro-level.
Clausen- not elite, not guaranteed to even start. Positional scarcity only comes into play when considering the rookie QBs. Some dynasty teams have been sitting on QBs like Leinart, Kolb and Henne- I'd consider targeting one of them or getting a placeholder and one of the QBs coming out next year.
Mike Williams- Talent with little positional competition gives him a high ceiling. But, character concerns give him a very low floor. A very wide possible range of production.
Gresham- Ochocinco can draw coverage, but lacks big-play ability. A plethora of WRs (Antonio Bryant, Dez Briscoe, Jordan Shipley, Andre Caldwell) can potentially line up opposite, but injury, rookie and character concerns abound. Gresham has the vertical speed to be a downfield weapon- depending on Bryant's head and knees, perhaps the only one.
I'm much more willing to draft Gresham's higher floor with very good ceiling to Williams' extremely wide differential between his potential upper-level production and his bust chance. You know Gresham will produce- you hope Williams will. Gresham's ceiling is near Williams', but his floor is MUCH higher.
Kareighuis, I love reading your thoughts on players. I love them because for the most part I completely disagree with them. We are so completely polar opposite on nearly every topic I actually get really excited when I see your posts. Not that one of us is right and one is wrong, good or bad, smart or stupid; but our strategies must be so different that they end up working in spite of having differing views.
I find that nothing short of amazing. Seriously. I know my track record and I suspect most people on this board dominate their local leagues too.
I think that Gresham honestly has just as low a floor as Williams when you consider the bust rate of TEs in the NFL and the extensive injury history the guy has especially to his knees...those are just as big or bigger concerns to me on top of the fact that he's on the Bengals who have never proven they can effectively use a TE. I think he has a lot more things going against him than you seem to think and I don't know that he's really much of a sure thing in any way here. I'd take Williams all day every day over Gresham in a rookie draft.
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