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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby Cowboys 4 life » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:19 pm

knapplc wrote:
Cowboys 4 life wrote:
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What should Obama be doing?


The same thing the Dems/Libs/Socialists/commies said Bush should have done. React quicker.

How long should oil spill into the gulf before the President gets involved? This is serious.


React how? In what way?


If it were me and I heard about 1000's of gallons leaking into the gulf I would have had those underneath me check it out immediately. It wouldn't take long before I had a plan in place. Instead we sat on our arses for weeks before really looking into it. Too little too late.

The rest of your rant is similar to what I was saying when Katrina hit. Mother nature is a beast. You can plan all you want but you still are unprepared when it really goes down. Noone has a crystal ball. Do I blame Obama...no not really. But he could have done more quicker. I said it sarcastically like many did when Bush failed.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby knapplc » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:26 am

Seems like a lot of people are just looking for a way to gripe.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby Metroid » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:37 am

I blame the oil spill on Tom Cruise. Why the hell hasn't he done anything yet?
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby Nfl Fan » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:58 pm

I was listening to George Noory the other night (disclaimer: I KNOW he's a little out there and deals with some pretty kooky guests/subjects). He had a guest that was making the argument that if this thing could not get stopped, that in two years it could be a 'planet killer' due to the billions of gallons of oil polluting our oceans. That sort of sounded an alarm in my head.

knapplc wrote:React how? In what way?


Here's what I wish would have happened:

Within a few days of the outbreak of this disaster, the President and his men should have sat around a table with experts in this industry. Experts from Shell, Exxon, Chevron and the rest. People who know about offshore drilling and the machinery. Technicians and engineers, etc. Get ideas out on the table from varied sources who know the most about what is going on. Decide on a course of action, formulate a plan, and execute!

No no no. How about we just sit on our hands and do nothing but point our fingers at BP? BP is the bad guy and we are betting EVERYTHING on the bad guys ability to do something. Brilliant. I'm just sickened by it.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby scottaa1 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:19 pm

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Here's what I wish would have happened:

Within a few days of the outbreak of this disaster, the President and his men should have sat around a table with experts in this industry. Experts from Shell, Exxon, Chevron and the rest. People who know about offshore drilling and the machinery. Technicians and engineers, etc. Get ideas out on the table from varied sources who know the most about what is going on. Decide on a course of action, formulate a plan, and execute!


It wasn't considered a disaster within a few days of the leak starting. There was no reason to react to it as such. And the President's job isn't to react/overreact/underreact to the problems faced by businesses as they go about their daily work. Laissez-faire, unless you're big auto ;-) . Could they have responded sooner in light of BP's failed attempts? Yeah, I'm on board with you there, it shouldn't have lingered THIS long.

For as long as the world has been drilling and shipping oil, and with the mishaps that have occurred, and in glaring particular of the money involved, it seems like there's not nearly enough research-->tech-->tools for oil spill recovery/cleanup.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby Metroid » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:33 pm

Things wouldn't be any different today if Obama had gotten all the brightest minds from big oil all in one room the day after the spill. Those people don't know jack about how to stop oil leaks 2 miles under water any more today than they did 30 years ago. Did you guys watch the video I posted earlier in the thread? The only, ONLY way oil leaks from sea drilling have ever been stopped is by drilling relief wells, which takes months to do and is what I'm sure BP is doing right now. When stuff like this happens, people have to get pissed off at someone, that someone is always the president. Be mad at him if you want but there is absolutely nothing he could have done early on to lessen the impact of this disaster.

If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at the greedy politicians who even after this catastrophic disaster will allow these oil companies to continue to keep drilling on the ocean floor. That's the reason you should be mad at Obama and the like.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby Nfl Fan » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:50 pm

Metroid wrote:Things wouldn't be any different today if Obama had gotten all the brightest minds from big oil all in one room the day after the spill.


You're trying to say that collecting the brightest minds from a dozen oil companies to brainstorm for solutions is a WORSE idea than sitting around hoping BP fixes this thing?

I have always found that gathering educated people who have varied perceptions on a situation ALWAYS yields ideas and results that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise. What I hear you saying is BP has all the answers and we just need to follow their lead. Love ya Met, but I couldn't disagree more.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby scottaa1 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:00 pm

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Metroid wrote:Things wouldn't be any different today if Obama had gotten all the brightest minds from big oil all in one room the day after the spill.


You're trying to say that collecting the brightest minds from a dozen oil companies to brainstorm for solutions is a WORSE idea than sitting around hoping BP fixes this thing?

I have always found that gathering educated people who have varied perceptions on a situation ALWAYS yields ideas and results that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise. What I hear you saying is BP has all the answers and we just need to follow their lead. Love ya Met, but I couldn't disagree more.


I think the point being made is that those people collecting their ideas should/has already happened, nothing new or spectacular would occur by putting them in a room just because a leak happened, and certainly they wouldn't have had a mirac solution the day after the spill.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby Metroid » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:18 pm

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Metroid wrote:Things wouldn't be any different today if Obama had gotten all the brightest minds from big oil all in one room the day after the spill.


You're trying to say that collecting the brightest minds from a dozen oil companies to brainstorm for solutions is a WORSE idea than sitting around hoping BP fixes this thing?

I have always found that gathering educated people who have varied perceptions on a situation ALWAYS yields ideas and results that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise. What I hear you saying is BP has all the answers and we just need to follow their lead. Love ya Met, but I couldn't disagree more.


Don't disregard the rest of my post. What I'm saying is that none of these big oil guys are bright at all when it comes to stopping oil leaks 2 miles under water. Not at all. They are super smart when it comes to drilling for oil, but when it comes to fixing a leak, you and I could come up with better strategies than these bozos. Seriously. They are doing the same crap they did 30 years ago to try and stop this leak, and every other oil company in the world would be doing the same thing. I saw report a few days ago, I forget where, where they were comparing the "disaster plan" handbooks from all the major oil companies. They were literally carbon copies of each other. If you got them all in the room they'd all be saying the same crap, and have the same crap ideas. Hell you could time travel back 30 years and get all the brightest minds in oil from back then and they would be giving the same crappy ideas that the brightest oil minds from today are giving. Nothing has changed.

Now if you want to say that Obama should get the brightest scientists and engineers from major universities to weigh in, I'd say that maybe you have a case. Sadly I still I have a hard time believing there would be much difference since big oil employs some of the brightest scientists and engineers. Fixing a leaking oil well two miles under water is not an easy task, which is exactly why we should not be drilling for oil in the ocean. It's that simple.

No I am not saying BP has all the answers, none of the big oil companies have all the answers. The problem is the only way to stop this leak is to let BP do what it does know how to do...drill for oil. That's the only way a leak like this has ever been stopped.
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Re: Oil in the Gulf

Postby Metroid » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:32 pm

scottaa1 wrote:I think the point being made is that those people collecting their ideas should/has already happened, nothing new or spectacular would occur by putting them in a room just because a leak happened, and certainly they wouldn't have had a mirac solution the day after the spill.

Yeah that's pretty much it.

And don't get me wrong, just because nothing would be any different doesn't mean I agree with the way the administration has responded since the leak started. Obama should have responded with regular statements immediately. And even though things wouldn't be any different, he should have gathered a room full or heads anyway to at least make the public believe something was being done.

Really the only reason we can be mad at Obama and his administration is that he didn't give the perception of trying to do something...even though there is nothing he can do. Thinking that his, or any other administration, could do anything to lessen the severity of this disaster is wishful thinking. If you really want Obama to stop oil leaks like this from happening in the ocean, write him a letter and ask him to get on board with banning deep sea oil drilling.
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