If the draft was today......

[chchelse]

I'm flabbergasted by your failure to understand the point. Eli Manning has thrown 11 INTs. You play in an eccentric league that doesn't count that. Come out with it before you make silly off the cuff comparisons that are really only valid to your league.

Edit: as for "that was your bad"--- give me a break dude, how petty are you?

I'm sure you're easily flabbergasted "dude". The "point" is you don't criticize other when you don't have the facts. You totally generalized, assuming everybody used your scoring system, which somehow made P Manning 8 points/gm better than E Manning. You believe that your scoring system is somehow universal which is ludicrous. And using that incorrect assumption you personally attacked me, telling me to get my facts straight. I'll tell you what "dude" if you can explain to me how you stating P Manning is 8 pts/gm better than E Manning, using your league as a reference, and me stating P Manning is 3pts/gm better than E Manning using my league as a reference are in any way fundamentally different, I will concede, and leave this thread. The only real difference between the two, is that you chose to make it personal. Sorry I hurt your tender feelings.

[CBMGreatOne]

LOL. Yeah, MY feelings are the ones that are tender. HILARIOUS. Let any objective observer read this thread and arrive at that conclusion...

How's this "dude"?

You are right. You never made any "factual" statement that was incorrect. Are you happy? Is that going to keep you from pacing around your room fuming over somebody who has the unmitigated gaul to make such an egregious personal attack as telling you: "You need to get your facts straight."

You know what. You're right. That is about the worst thing I can imagine someone saying to someone else.

Look at my first post. I mentioned that I thought you were misreading the stats. That's what my hypothesis was. That's what my comment was based on.

Whether or not your facts were straight, your statistics are misleading if you are drawing them from a strange scoring system that has little bearing on the rest of the people reading this thread.

That aside, just lighten up "dude" (Don't know why we're putting it in quotes now). I wasn't trying to declare war on you.

[jdogg_ffc]

Why don't we just sub. Kyle Orton for Eli in the original post then it makes sense to me.
In NFL.com scoring no PPC, 6pts per TD, 1pt for each 25 yrds passing, 1 pt for 10 yrds running, -2 pts for every turnover.
Peyton has 170 pts for the yr.
Orton has 167 for the yr.
Peyton went late round 1 to early round 2 in most drafts.
Orton def. went much later.
Also I see nothing wrong with anyone taking Peyton he is one of the safest early picks IMO!

PS a big thank you to all who hyped Foster this yr. I took him in round 5 and have been smiling ever since.

[chchelse]

That aside, just lighten up "dude" (Don't know why we're putting it in quotes now). I wasn't trying to declare war on you.

All right I'm done. I must admit, you've handled this in a much more mature manner than I.

[Ozymandias19]

AP
Foster
CJ
Gore
Mccoy
Megatron
Manning
Rashard
Mcfadden
Roddy White
MJD
Bradshaw

12 team league obviously. I'm sure i'll get ripped on for Bradshaw, but the dude is a stud.

[Sex Panther]

Going by 2010 PPG averages & guys who are healthy enough to theoretically contribute from here to the end of the season, non PPR...

Hypothetical 3 rounds... I excluded guys that have "inflated stats" - Forte/Best (huge games coupled w/ total garbage), have been hurt for the last several weeks (Floyd), or who have no "real" real chance of being drafted ahead of "name" guys (Fitzpatrick)

T1 1.1 RB Foster - 21.82 PPG
T2 1.2 RB AP - 19.92 PPG
T3 1.3 RB McFadden - 19.57 PPG
T4 1.4 RB Hillis - 16.57 PPG
T5 1.5 RB Gore - 16.29 PPG
T6 1.6 RB CJ - 15.84 PPG
T7 1.7 RB Mendenhall - 15.34
T8 1.8 WR Owens - 15.03 PPG
T9 1.9 TE Gates - 14.98 PPG
T10 1.10 WR Nicks - 14.76 PPG
T11 1.11 RB McCoy - 14.41 PPG
T12 1.12 RB Bradshaw - 14.41 PPG
T12 2.1 WR Lloyd - 13.98 PPG
T11 .2 RB Charles - 13.67 PPG
T10 2.3 WR White - 13.59 PPG
T9 2.4 QB Vick - 21.36 PPG
T8 2.5 RB Turner - 13.19 PPG
T7 2.6 QB Rivers - 20.67 PPG
T6 2.7 WR Megatron - 13.04 PPG
T5 2.8 WR DJax - 12.64 PPG
T4 2.9 RB SJax - 12.36 PPG
T3 2.10 RB Rice - 12.33 PPG
T2 2.11 RB MJD - 12.27 PPG
T1 2.12 QB Rodgers - 19.74 PPG
T1 3.1 WR AJ - 11.47 PPG
T2 3.2 QB Peyton - 19.71 PPG
T3 3.3 RB LT - 13.38 PPG
T4 3.4 WR Maclin - 11.44 PPG
T5 3.5 WR Wayne - 11.35 PPG
T6 3.6 RB Moreno - 12.18 PPG
T7 3.7 RB Benson - 11.25 PPG
T8 3.8 WR Bowe - 10.7 PPG
T9 3.9 WR Boldin - 10.43 PPG
T10 3.10 WR Harvin - 10.42 PPG
T11 3.11 WR Jennings - 10.32 PPG
T12 3.12 WR Williams (TB) - 10.29 PPG

An extremely strong case can be made for Gates to be the single most valuable player in fantasy this year - he is producing top tier WR1 numbers from the TE slot on a weekly basis - last weeks DNP & the 1 stinker he has thrown out - he's averaging over 17 PPG, only being outpaced in PPG (non QB) by 3 RB.

Team 1 - Foster, Rodgers, AJ
Team 2 - AP, MJD, Peyton
Team 3 - McFadden, Rice, LT
Team 4 - Hillis, SJax, Maclin
Team 5 - Gore, DJax, Wayne
Team 6 - CJ, Megatron, Moreno
Team 7 - Mendenhall, Rivers, Benson
Team 8 - Owens, Turner, Bowe
Team 9 - Gates, Vick, Boldin
Team 10 - Nicks, White, Harvin
Team 11 - McCoy, Charles, Jennings
Team 12 - Bradshaw, Lloyd, Williams (TB)

Not saying that this is how a draft would look today, but by the numbers, it's probably how the draft should look today.

[Flyn high again]

I like Panther's list. Nearly every guy on that list is either productive and liked because I own him or productive and hated because I don't.

You might want to fit Steve Johnson and Tamme onto the list. Barring injury, they will be there at the end of the year.

[m16a]

I like Panther's list. Nearly every guy on that list is either productive and liked because I own him or productive and hated because I don't.

You might want to fit Steve Johnson and Tamme onto the list. Barring injury, they will be there at the end of the year.

Is Tamme really worth much outside of a dynasty/keeper though? I mean, Clark will be back next season, and you can't imagine the Colts unloading a young guy with such potential like Tamme, especially with him under contract another year.

[mattpullman]

If I was drafting for the remainder of the season, my list would go something like this

1. Chris Johnson
2. Arian Foster
3. Adrian Peterson
4. Frank Gore
5. Jamaal Charles
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Rashard Mendenhall
8. Ray Rice
9. Hakeem Nicks
10. Roddy White
11. Calvin Johnson
12. Ahmad Bradshaw
13. LeSean McCoy
14. Brandon Lloyd
15. Darren McFadden

edit**: after making this list, i've realized i have to go try to trade for ahmad bradshaw!

My QBs, in order would be
Rivers
Peyton
Brees
Vick
Rodgers
Orton
Eli
and Rivers wouldn't be off the board till after Calvin Johnson.

[Flyn high again]

Is Tamme really worth much outside of a dynasty/keeper though? I mean, Clark will be back next season, and you can't imagine the Colts unloading a young guy with such potential like Tamme, especially with him under contract another year.

Tamme's value is for the rest of this year. Next year, Indy will have to figure out what to do with him.

Matt, good luck on getting Bradshaw. I have him in both leagues and he is almost untradeable. I'd want so much no other team would agree.