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Postby Brady82 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:31 pm

Hey, guys!! I've been gone for a couple of years, but so stoked to be back!! Out of my two leagues, I won my 3rd championship (out of 10 seasons) in one of them with the following ending roster: (standard scoring w/6pts for passing td, 8 starters, non-ppr)

QB: D. Brees, B. Roethlisberger
RB: R. Mendenhall, M. Forte, L. Tomlinson, J. Stewart
WR: B. Lloyd, M. Wallace, W. Welker, B. Marshall
TE: K. Boss, G. Olsen
D: Bears, Falcons
K: R. Bironas, D. Buehler

First thoughts for keepers were: Brees, Mendenhall, Forte ....but, I will probably wait until after the Super Bowl (and beyond) to really start thinking about it. Questions I keep going back to:

~ In the long run, would it be wiser to keep Big Ben over Brees?
~ Mendenhall is all but decided on, BUT do I keep Forte over an aging LT or JStu, who might finally play good for an entire season?
~ OR keep one of the top receivers in 2010 with either Lloyd or Wallace??

THANKS FOR ANY OPINIONS........ AND WHIR ;-D :-D :-)
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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby ABC » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:54 am

Congrats on winning another championship.

What is the scoring for receiving yards vs rushing yards?

IMO:

I would keep Brees, Drew QB NO over Roethlisberger, Ben QB PIT. I can see where you are trying to be proactive and think about the future, but I would not over-think it. As good as Ben has been, he's no Brees. Brees had a down year for him because of his int's, but I don't see that being an issue going forward. He's still and should continue to be a top 5 QB for many, many years to come. I see Roth being more of a top 7-10 QB and not a top 5.

I would also suggest you keep Mendenhall, Rashard RB PIT. He's only 23 and the #1 RB on the Steelers. He has little competition for carries or goal line attempts. Sure, the Steelers threw the ball a lot once Ben was back, but Rashard will got this td's and yardage.

Your third and final keeper is not as straight forward. I think it's between Forte, Matt RB CHI and Stewart, Jonathan RB CAR. A lot won't be known about Stewards value until the CBA is worked out. Until then, Williams, DeAngelo RB CAR can't be traded and I'm pretty sure they won't sign him to an extension until knowing the impact of his contract to the salary cap.

Because you play in a non-ppr league, Forte looses some value, but his total yards this season is impressive.

I would not think about keeping LT. I don't think he's a great keeper choice. He gets TD's, but I can see his yardage / production going down next year, like it did in the second half of this year. I think the Jets will lean more or Greene next year. Plus, we don't know where LT will be in 2012.

If you had a choose a third keeper now, I would keep Forte, because of his total yards from scrimmage, the unknown with Stewart and Williams and your scoring for receiving yards. But, you could not go wrong with either Forte or Stewart as your third keeper.

Lastly, if receiving yards and rushing yards are the same per point, than a WR like Wallace, Mike WR PIT could enter into the thrid keeper conversation depending on what you project him to get.

This season:
Wallace - 1,257 receiving yards and 10 TD's
Forte - 1,616 (rushing and receiving) total yards and 9 TD's this year.
Stewart - 873 total yards and 7 TD's this year. In 2009 he had 1,272 total yards and 11 TD"s.
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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby FantasySportsMaven » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:42 am

Wow... great analysis by ABC! ;-D

Can't disagree with a single thing he said. My only remaining question is regarding your starting Positions at RB and WR. If you start 8 players, with QB, TE and D/ST taking 3 of them, do ou start 2RBs and 3WRs, or 2+2 and 1 Fl. If you can start 3RBs then my last keeper would be Forte, barring serious injury in the Bears playoff game.
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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby Brady82 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:44 pm

Thanks for the responses, guys!! To clarify: we start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1D, 1K; rushing & receiving yardage are the same - 1 pt. per yard. Right now, I am still leaning towards Forte, but somehow by next season if Carolina finally lets Williams move on, Stewart will be considered.

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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby Achmed » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:58 pm

My choices would be Brees, Mendenhall and Wallace.

While Brees is three years older than Ben, he's A LOT better and in an offense geared to pass.

Mendenhall is easy.

Wallace has reached top-ten status, and I suspect still hasn't reached his ceiling. It wasn't until late in the year that Pitt finally figured out that if he can't get deep to just hit him with slants and let him do it on his own. With a full season of this philosophy next year, he should be a fair bit better.

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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby Indibuck » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:13 pm

I would keep Mendy, Forte, and Stewart at this moment, assuming DWill moves on.

If I don't keep Stewart, I would keep Wallace over Brees. In leagues where you keep 3 or less, I wouldn't advise keeping anyone not named Vick. You can draft a comparable QB easier than a stud RB or stud WR... Wallace has that shot, Stewart even moreso if he is the lead back in CAR.
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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby Brady82 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:34 am

Very interesting idea, Indibuck!! I am actually going to have to consider that!! :-?
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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby ABC » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:05 am

Brady82 wrote:To clarify: we start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1D, 1K; rushing & receiving yardage are the same - 1 pt. per yard.

IMO:

Because you only play 2 RB's, I would be very cautious about keeping 3 RB's, unless all three of them are studs (example: C.Johnson, A.Peterson, MJD). By keeping a bench player (another RB), since you can only start 2 RB's, you could be weakening your starting line-up and keepers. I consider either Forte or Stewarts as a solid keeper, but not a stud keeper.

I think you should explore the option of trading two or more of your players to get a super stud RB like C.Johnson or A.Peterson.

I still like keeping Brees because all TD's are worth 6 pts, but can understand keeping 2RB's and 1Wr and drafting a QB.
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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby Brady82 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:12 pm

thanks for even more good advice, ABC ;-D I sent an e-mail to AP's owner about a blockbuster trade, but also knew to just pass on CJohnson since he is the favorite player of the owner of the team he's on. ;-7
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Re: Keepers: Brees or Big Ben? Forte or ???

Postby ABC » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:06 pm

Are you also able to also trade for draft picks?

Since I am not sure what you have been offering, you can also expand your trade options to also include Foster, MJD, J.Charles, and R.Rice for RB's, as well as A.Johnson, Megatron, R.White for WR's.

Brees and Forte/Stewart/Wallace might be able to get you AP depending on the owners other keepers. I would try and hold onto Mendenhall is possible because and AP and Mendenhall would be a great one .. two .. RB tandem.
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