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Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Poll ended at Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:32 pm

RB Shane Vareen, New England Patriots
6
46%
RB Kendall Hunter, San Francisco 49ers
2
15%
RB Roy Helu, Washington Redskins
3
23%
WR Randall Cobb, Green Bay Packers
2
15%
Other (please explain)
0
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Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby The Lung » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:32 pm

Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts? You are voting on who will have the best fantasy football production in the NFL over the next 4 or 5 years with the team on which the player was just drafted, NOT who will have the best year in 2011. Assume standard scoring (1 pt. per 10 yards rushing / receiving, and no PPR) Also please assume that you have a balanced roster and don't have a great specific need for a QB, WR, etc.

Feel free to discuss the pros and cons of these players - this could be helpful for some and generate some good discussion. If you'd like to vote for a player NOT on this list, then please vote "other" and make a post to discuss the player. This will serve as a write-in vote for that player. ;-D

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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby m16a » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:48 pm

Completely forgot about Helu. I think I'd grab him here. I took him around this point in a league myself. I like his situation the most. He'll be competing for a starting role, he's a one cut back in a one cut blocking system, and Shanny is a pro at turning guys into good backs. I like his short term impact, but his long term might not be as good. He's the guy I'd grab here if I wanted to get someone to help me compete now. Hunter/Vereen would probably be a better choice for a rebuilding team.
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby daullaz » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:09 am

Definitely going with Helu here, as he was surprisingly great for a pretty good college football program. Now he lands in a system ideal for his strengths. The Redskins may succumb to pressure and sign a "veteran" starter (i.e., Ronnie Brown, Michael Bush), but I'd imagine Helu winds up with the feature back role before too long.

Also, if I could make a request, can we get Leonard Hankerson involved in the next poll? Put up some pretty awesome career numbers at a school known for producing good receivers. Also could be the No. 1 guy in Washington as soon as this year. I love Cobb, but he's fourth fiddle at best (Jennings, Nelson, Finley) for the next few years.
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby WaCougMBS » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:10 am

Helu for me as well ;-D
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby thriftyrocker » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:39 am

Definitely think Helu is overvalued. He's Selvin Young and Royster is Mike Bell. You're dancing with the devil taking him, and I could never justify taking him over a guy taken 2 rounds earlier like Vereen.

Or even the remaining 2nd round WRs since all of them landed in more or less great situations (some delayed gratification on Cobb, but otherwise what more do you want from a landing spot than GB, DET, BAL).

Hunter was taken in the same round but he's just so much more talented IMO. The only reason Helu would go first is situation, but it's not a great longterm situation.

I would take Vereen and not think twice about it. Or trade down and get Hunter.
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby LS2throwed » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:14 am

thriftyrocker wrote:Definitely think Helu is overvalued. He's Selvin Young and Royster is Mike Bell. You're dancing with the devil taking him, and I could never justify taking him over a guy taken 2 rounds earlier like Vereen.

Or even the remaining 2nd round WRs since all of them landed in more or less great situations (some delayed gratification on Cobb, but otherwise what more do you want from a landing spot than GB, DET, BAL).

Hunter was taken in the same round but he's just so much more talented IMO. The only reason Helu would go first is situation, but it's not a great longterm situation.

I would take Vereen and not think twice about it. Or trade down and get Hunter.




I agree with everything you said to a T. Only question I have is Vereen. It doesn't concern you how Belicheck rotates RB's in and out of the lineup? I just can't trust that offense, or Bill to rely on 1 RB to consistently contribute. They might throw all game one week, or give it to the bruiser the next(whoever that may be), give the TD's to the big bruising RB their using or the TE. I feel like Vereen is gonna be their new Kevin Faulk, but he needs to do alot more dirty work to be a consistent starter in fantasy.


In comparison, the Cowboys seem to give Felix Jones ample opportunities to win the starting RB position, goal line carries, short yardage carries, games over 20+ touches, etc. I don't know that I ever see Vereen getting more then 20 touches for the Pats unless it's a freak occurence. For me, it ruined any chance of me ever drafting Vereen, when if he was drafted by let's say the Giants, I'd have him as my #4 player on my big board.
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby Guru13 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:30 am

Just to be different and maybe I'm a little biased, but chose Randall Cobb because both James Jones and Donald Driver will be out of the picture in the next couple years, and his ceiling is very high in that offense. Helu or Vereen would be next.
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby biju » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:12 am

LS2throwed wrote:
thriftyrocker wrote:Definitely think Helu is overvalued. He's Selvin Young and Royster is Mike Bell. You're dancing with the devil taking him, and I could never justify taking him over a guy taken 2 rounds earlier like Vereen.

Or even the remaining 2nd round WRs since all of them landed in more or less great situations (some delayed gratification on Cobb, but otherwise what more do you want from a landing spot than GB, DET, BAL).

Hunter was taken in the same round but he's just so much more talented IMO. The only reason Helu would go first is situation, but it's not a great longterm situation.

I would take Vereen and not think twice about it. Or trade down and get Hunter.


I agree with everything you said to a T. Only question I have is Vereen. It doesn't concern you how Belicheck rotates RB's in and out of the lineup? I just can't trust that offense, or Bill to rely on 1 RB to consistently contribute. They might throw all game one week, or give it to the bruiser the next(whoever that may be), give the TD's to the big bruising RB their using or the TE. I feel like Vereen is gonna be their new Kevin Faulk, but he needs to do alot more dirty work to be a consistent starter in fantasy.

In comparison, the Cowboys seem to give Felix Jones ample opportunities to win the starting RB position, goal line carries, short yardage carries, games over 20+ touches, etc. I don't know that I ever see Vereen getting more then 20 touches for the Pats unless it's a freak occurence. For me, it ruined any chance of me ever drafting Vereen, when if he was drafted by let's say the Giants, I'd have him as my #4 player on my big board.


In my opinion, Belichick rotated RBs out of need more than out of desire. He didn't draft Maroney in 2006 with the 21st overall pick to be part of a committee, but that's what he had to do with Maroney busting for him. Of the 5 guys who saw significant carries for NE, 3 of them (Taylor, Morris and Faulk) are over 34 years old--they are way past their prime and will all likely retire within the next 365 days. As for the remaining backs on the team I think people are seeing success and rating a couple players too high on talent. I don't see BJGE or Woodhead being a major blocker for touches.


Helu had great stats last year in college but I thought it was less about his talent and more about the 3 yard wide holes he was running through. I didn't see the patience to allow the play to develop (something he might be able to fix), the elusiveness to make NFL caliber players miss (that will be an issue) or much vision. He used his speed to outrun college players or his raw power in straight-line running--neither I suspect will be effective at the next level. I also think he runs a little high which is going to really open him up to some big hits at the next level. Even with his size and power he seemed to get driven backward too often due to poor technique. I'm just not a fan...
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby thriftyrocker » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:07 pm

LS2throwed wrote:I feel like Vereen is gonna be their new Kevin Faulk, but he needs to do alot more dirty work to be a consistent starter in fantasy.

In comparison, the Cowboys seem to give Felix Jones ample opportunities to win the starting RB position, goal line carries, short yardage carries, games over 20+ touches, etc. I don't know that I ever see Vereen getting more then 20 touches for the Pats unless it's a freak occurence. For me, it ruined any chance of me ever drafting Vereen, when if he was drafted by let's say the Giants, I'd have him as my #4 player on my big board.


Vereen could be buried in a committee longterm, but so could all but about 3 or 4 RBs in the NFL. Does the fact that Jahvid Best won't close games or get goalline situations ruin your value on him? Probably not drastically. Or if it did you should have sold him low to me already.

The question is what is his share? He's the most talented RB in NE. He's not Kevin Faulk - that's both a knock on Faulk (who pretty much defined the role of shotgun RB specialist) and on Vereen (who will do so much more than that).

Vereen/Ridley could easily be Bradshaw/Jacobs in a couple years. Vereen gets the first few series. Gets yards in droves. Then Ridley comes in for a few series and bumm bumm bumm beats them up a little. The Giants run more than the Pats, but there's enough yards there for 2 RBs, especially getting the main pass receiver in the committee.

I don't view BJGE as a longterm competition to Vereen. I don't view Ridley as a longterm competition to Vereen (more like a great compliment). Woodhead is a bit of a competition. He's underrated and if he stays on the team as part of the committee, it eats into Vereen's role. Vereen gets a 50% share instead of a 70% share. That would lessen his upside.

But "talent over situation" where the situation is undefined anyway, you shouldn't overthink it.
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Re: Who is the #10 pick in rookie dynasty league drafts?

Postby Kareighuis » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:08 pm

m16a wrote:I like [Helu's] short term impact, but his long term might not be as good. He's the guy I'd grab here if I wanted to get someone to help me compete now. Hunter/Vereen would probably be a better choice for a rebuilding team.

Based on this breakdown, I'd say Helu's the short-term add, and Hunter is the add if your looking for long-term production. Vereen's got you covered short-term (if he secures the lead back role) and long-term (strong offense lacking a dominant back for years). Vereen gets dinged for Belichek's mix-and-match RB habits only- his talent and the quality of the surrounding offense are unquestioned.
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