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Keeper League - Serpentine Draft?

Postby childressva01 » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:37 pm

This is our first year declaring keepers - we can keep up to 3 players. you give up the round that player was drafted. Can only have a player for 3 years and then they become free agents.

Should we continue to do serpentine? My thoughts were that serpentine always was intended to make draft fair and equal for all rounds. But when you go keeper - and I ordered the teams worst to first based on finish from last year- you don't want equality - right? Don't you intend to give the worst team a bit of an advantage - like the NFL?

The dealbreaker might be that we are only keeping 3 players out of 16. . .it may not be enough to warrant straight drafting instead of serpentine? I could easily see eliminating serpentine for a dynasty league.

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Re: Keeper League - Serpentine Draft?

Postby dgan » Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:31 pm

You always want to explore going to an Auction once Keepers become involved. Unfortunately, sometimes just getting a Keeper rule is victory in itself if you have a league full of less dedicated owners. I go through this with my league, always concerned about it getting too "complicated" and becoming easier for us "obsessed" owners to gain an advantage.

So if you do stay with a draft, keep it serpentine. I've seen a hundred articles, tables, graphs, etc. that show that those at the top of a serpentine draft do, on average, have a distinct advantage. And this becomes even more evident when you remove players from the pool via Keeper rules. If you go to any other draft format, you will either be giving the lesser teams a huge advantage or essentially screwing them over. The serpentine has existed for all these years because it is the best way to give a SLIGHT advantage to the lesser teams, without overdoing it in either direction.
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Re: Keeper League - Serpentine Draft?

Postby Cards24 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:35 pm

Serpentine is starting to be the archaic or the bush league of drafting in fantasy football. Look into and try to push an auction draft proposal (especially if you guys draft live). You can still incorporate a keeper system and trust me, you will never go back to traditional drafting. ;-D
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Re: Keeper League - Serpentine Draft?

Postby dupree » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:15 am

Some input from a bush league Commissioner here. We are a pretty low intensity league about having a good time and a nice fall distraction rather than obsession. Feedback from our league is that we do a pretty good job straddling that line.

TL;DR - we have 2 keepers and do a serpentine draft using reverse order of the prior years standings with a slight twist.

# Roster size is 18 players. With a roster size of 18, it is expected that 1 or 2 young players will be included on each team's roster during the season to develop into keepers.

# Each team can keep from 0 to 2 players out of their final 18 man roster at the end of the previous season.

# Players drafted in rounds 1 - 3 cannot be keepers.
- Example : You draft D. McFadded, RB OAK in round 5 in 2008. You decide to keep him. In 2009, he becomes your 3rd round draft pick (you give up a 3rd rounder). In 2010, because his draft status was round 3 in the previous year, he is no longer eligible for keeper status and is returned to the draft pool.

# Players can be kept a maximum of 3 times.
- For example, you can draft a player in 2008, and then keep them for the next 3 years: 2009, 2010, 2011. In 2012, this player must go back into the draft pool of players.
- Please see this spreadsheet which tracks all keepers each season: [REDACTED]

# For each player you keep, you must give up a draft pick 2 rounds higher than the player's draft position the year before.
- If you keep an undrafted players (UDP) from the previous year, you must give up your 16th round pick.
- Players that were drafted and then cut still maintain their draft status.
- If you do not have a draft pick for the correct round to give up to keep a player, you must give up the next higher draft pick.

# Draft position is based on the order in which you finish. Note: The better your team does during the consolation bracket, the better your draft pick. Consolation bracket winner gets 1st pick next year. This rule encourages teams to try to keep winning. I don't like leagues where teams try to lose the last few weeks. (see Draft Order)

# Keeper Status follows the traded player.
- When trading players, the players draft status (position) and keeper status (years he can be kept) is traded with the player.
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Re: Keeper League - Serpentine Draft?

Postby Hippo45 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:32 pm

I suggest you go to an auction draft. However, if you are wanting to keep your normal draft set up, then I suggest you have the worst teams select where they want to draft from and have a normal serpentine draft.
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