mattb47 wrote:I think Vick is worth more than 2 wins which is what you're saying he's worth by saying their a 12 win team without him and a 10 win team with him. Sure they have a lot of talent but that defense is VERY susceptible to the run and for how great they are in coverage, I think teams can and will find ways to pass on them like Matt Ryan was able to at times today. I think without Vick they are maybe able to squeeze into the playoffs, I think if they went the rest of the year without Vick they would go maybe 9-7 as I think Vick is just a difference maker for that team in so many ways.
Part of the reason those receivers can have all that success and McCoy can have all that success is because every team's gameplan is completely focused on how to stop Michael Vick. You take that away and teams can and will shut this team down.
McCoy and DJAX were quite successful with McNabb. That's not the issue.
Also, you might be right about the 9 wins, but I think the difference with/without Vick is the difference between a dominant team and one that gets the job done. i.e. 12 wins while kicking many teams butt, or 10 wins with a lot of close calls.
As for the run, the Eagles have always been unsuccessful against the run under Andy Reid. They have a "bend, don't break" philosophy that is to bulk up on DBs and the pass rush. It's ok to give up 5-8 yard runs from time to time - even 15-20, just don't give up the big pass play; the playmakers will eventually get a sack, tackle for a loss, or turnover. Then, get the ball back to the offense, get an early lead, and force the other team to pass into our strength.
That's always been their style with Reid and their rush defense is no worse this year (or maybe not much worse) than it has been in the years we went 13-3 (1 time), 12-4 (2 times), 11-5 (3 times), and 10-6 (2 times). So, they've been 10-6 or better 8 times since 2000 when Andy Reid got here. Their rush defense would worry me, too if I wasn't used to seeing the Eagles game plan every week for 11 years under Reid. I think that part will be ok.
The question for me is, when we get the ball back, will we be able to take advantage of it and force them into throwing? If so, we win. If not, we lose.